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So is Ukraine committing genocide on russians? The intent needs to be there too. Otherwise it's just a war.

ImPostingOnHN 1y ago
Your analogy is backwards: Israel:Palestine :: Russia:Ukraine This is emphasized by the fact that both Israel and Russia are accused of genocide in their attacks, and both bibi and vlad are wanted for war crimes, which tracks, because both have an "ends justify means" attitude.
bjoli 1y ago
Genocidal intent is not hard to find. Neither among Israeli politicians, military personnel, or on social media. Even before the whole GHF setup, which is just organized cruelty to starve a population.
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- spwa4 1y ago
  > Genocidal intent is not hard to find Especially easy to find among Hamas, or PA, or a whole bunch of other Palestinian organisations even when it comes to their own people. Palestinian organizations have committed genocide, no need to change definitions or laws, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Israel and maybe Saudi Arabia too. In most of those places they have a reputation for disgusting cruelty (e.g. using snipers against school children in Lebanon) In other words: they are not the good guys.
  - vFunct 1y ago
    So you're saying Israel is committing genocide because they are a foreign invasion force of European Jews that have the stated intent of eliminating Palestinians people from the land they're trying to take through a war they started in 1948? And that Hamas are the good guys because they have a right to kill the foreign invaders trying to steal their land? Is that the correct summary of Israel's genocidal intent?
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  - bjoli 1y ago
    Why are you conflating Palestinian civilians with the likes of Hamas and pflp?
    - idiomat9000 1y ago
      Because they are 50-50 one and the same according to eu surveys?
      - bjoli 1y ago
        What do you mean?
        idiomat9000 1y ago
        The eu did surveys in ghaza that showed that 60% support hamas and its islamo supremacist goals. They really want to kill those jews badly, the only thing they dislike about hamas is that it is not winning.
        bjoli 1y ago
        Support for Hamas has generally been in the mid-30s, but that is also skewed by the fact that Hamas also provides things like health care and food for poor. But why do you think it matters? Israeli support for the genocide in Gaza is more than double that. Should we destroy 80% of civilian Israeli infrastructure, starve the population and stop baby formula from getting into the country, have the worlds most moral snipers shoot Israeli children, and then set up a faux humanitarian organisation that shoots at hungry people?
    - spwa4 1y ago
      So what you're saying is that boycotting is totally immoral? After all, that's reacting against Israeli civilians, which is not okay according to you. Or more to the point, why do we always judge Israel and Palestine with 2 different measures? Either Israel as a people and as a country are innocent and "it's only the government", hence boycotts are immoral. XOR people and government are both the same and boycotting every Palestinian everywhere on the planet is normal. Oh and accept that half the people just attack/boycott/refuse to serve or sell anything to all muslims, not just Palestinians, focusing especially on kids and other weak muslims, "because of the situation in Israel". Perhaps even have crowds chanting "gas all muslims" near mosques. And, of course, any kind of public success for Muslims must be brutally attacked, people, spectators, business partners, ... [1] After all, par for the course for Jews ... Not that anyone on the planet will be surprised that arguments only apply when making Jews evil, not to anyone else (more general any group we don't like, gypsies, the mentally ill, especially against mentally ill children, ...) [1] https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protesters-splatter-israeli-singer-red-paint-try-storm-stage-concert-poland/ https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protes...
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tpm 1y ago
Yes, the intent is there in case of Israel. For example, purposely (not incidentally) destroying all life supporting infrastructure even if it does not have any military significance (like drinking water supply) clearly demonstrates intent to depopulate.
- incrudible 1y ago
  You say it's purposeful, they say it's incidental. Israel still supplies Gaza with water, albeit at a substantially reduced rate. Roughly 40% of the water infrastructure remains operational[1]. Therefore, your maximalist claim of "destroying all life supporting infrastructure" is false. Russia has hit plenty of life-supporting infrastructure in the affected areas of Ukraine and millions have been displaced. Will you therefore admit a genocide committed by Russia? [1] https://water.fanack.com/water-situation-in-gaza-current-overview/ https://water.fanack.com/water-situation-in-gaza-current-ove...
  - tpm 1y ago
    From your own link: > over 85% of water and sanitation facilities are now completely or partially out of service I don't even think I have to add anything to that. Either they incidentally destroyed that much, which means they are not discriminating between civilian and military facilities, which means they are deliberately commiting massive war crimes against civilians, or they deliberately destroyed that much, which means deliberate genocide. > Will you therefore admit a genocide committed by Russia? Russia is without a doubt commiting genocide, trying to destroy the Ukrainian nation. This is openly admitted by Putin in that he says there is no such nation. Luckily it is not entirely successful yet, but in annexed territories it is absolutely exterminating any mention of Ukrainian nationhood and ethnicity. Israel is much more successful, both now and in the long term.
    - incrudible 1y ago
      Hamas does not discriminate between civilian and military facilities in their operations. If there are militants near a piece of civilian infrastructure, should that give them legal immunity from being targeted, in your opinion? If so, how do you think that would affect the strategy of said militants? At least you're consistent in regards to Ukraine. Now let's take it one step further: Most of the infrastructure of Raqqa was destroyed in the war against ISIS[1]. Did the coalition therefore commit a genocide and/or massive war crimes? [1] https://time.com/5563553/mosul-raqqa-ruins-after-the-war-of-annihilation/ https://time.com/5563553/mosul-raqqa-ruins-after-the-war-of-...
peterashford 1y ago
No. The text is " a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" Ukraine is not killing Russians because they are Russian, Ukraine is killing Russians because Ukraine is being invaded.

Your analogy is backwards: Israel:Palestine :: Russia:Ukraine This is emphasized by the fact that both Israel and Russia are accused of genocide in their attacks, and both bibi and vlad are wanted for war crimes, which tracks, because both have an "ends justify means" attitude.

bjoli 1y ago

Genocidal intent is not hard to find. Neither among Israeli politicians, military personnel, or on social media. Even before the whole GHF setup, which is just organized cruelty to starve a population.

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spwa4 1y ago
> Genocidal intent is not hard to find Especially easy to find among Hamas, or PA, or a whole bunch of other Palestinian organisations even when it comes to their own people. Palestinian organizations have committed genocide, no need to change definitions or laws, in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, Egypt, Kuwait, Israel and maybe Saudi Arabia too. In most of those places they have a reputation for disgusting cruelty (e.g. using snipers against school children in Lebanon) In other words: they are not the good guys.
- vFunct 1y ago
  So you're saying Israel is committing genocide because they are a foreign invasion force of European Jews that have the stated intent of eliminating Palestinians people from the land they're trying to take through a war they started in 1948? And that Hamas are the good guys because they have a right to kill the foreign invaders trying to steal their land? Is that the correct summary of Israel's genocidal intent?
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- bjoli 1y ago
  Why are you conflating Palestinian civilians with the likes of Hamas and pflp?
  - idiomat9000 1y ago
    Because they are 50-50 one and the same according to eu surveys?
    - bjoli 1y ago
      What do you mean?
      - idiomat9000 1y ago
        The eu did surveys in ghaza that showed that 60% support hamas and its islamo supremacist goals. They really want to kill those jews badly, the only thing they dislike about hamas is that it is not winning.
        bjoli 1y ago
        Support for Hamas has generally been in the mid-30s, but that is also skewed by the fact that Hamas also provides things like health care and food for poor. But why do you think it matters? Israeli support for the genocide in Gaza is more than double that. Should we destroy 80% of civilian Israeli infrastructure, starve the population and stop baby formula from getting into the country, have the worlds most moral snipers shoot Israeli children, and then set up a faux humanitarian organisation that shoots at hungry people?
  - spwa4 1y ago
    So what you're saying is that boycotting is totally immoral? After all, that's reacting against Israeli civilians, which is not okay according to you. Or more to the point, why do we always judge Israel and Palestine with 2 different measures? Either Israel as a people and as a country are innocent and "it's only the government", hence boycotts are immoral. XOR people and government are both the same and boycotting every Palestinian everywhere on the planet is normal. Oh and accept that half the people just attack/boycott/refuse to serve or sell anything to all muslims, not just Palestinians, focusing especially on kids and other weak muslims, "because of the situation in Israel". Perhaps even have crowds chanting "gas all muslims" near mosques. And, of course, any kind of public success for Muslims must be brutally attacked, people, spectators, business partners, ... [1] After all, par for the course for Jews ... Not that anyone on the planet will be surprised that arguments only apply when making Jews evil, not to anyone else (more general any group we don't like, gypsies, the mentally ill, especially against mentally ill children, ...) [1] https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protesters-splatter-israeli-singer-red-paint-try-storm-stage-concert-poland/ https://www.algemeiner.com/2025/09/01/pro-palestinian-protes...
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tpm 1y ago

Yes, the intent is there in case of Israel. For example, purposely (not incidentally) destroying all life supporting infrastructure even if it does not have any military significance (like drinking water supply) clearly demonstrates intent to depopulate.

incrudible 1y ago
You say it's purposeful, they say it's incidental. Israel still supplies Gaza with water, albeit at a substantially reduced rate. Roughly 40% of the water infrastructure remains operational[1]. Therefore, your maximalist claim of "destroying all life supporting infrastructure" is false. Russia has hit plenty of life-supporting infrastructure in the affected areas of Ukraine and millions have been displaced. Will you therefore admit a genocide committed by Russia? [1] https://water.fanack.com/water-situation-in-gaza-current-overview/ https://water.fanack.com/water-situation-in-gaza-current-ove...
- tpm 1y ago
  From your own link: > over 85% of water and sanitation facilities are now completely or partially out of service I don't even think I have to add anything to that. Either they incidentally destroyed that much, which means they are not discriminating between civilian and military facilities, which means they are deliberately commiting massive war crimes against civilians, or they deliberately destroyed that much, which means deliberate genocide. > Will you therefore admit a genocide committed by Russia? Russia is without a doubt commiting genocide, trying to destroy the Ukrainian nation. This is openly admitted by Putin in that he says there is no such nation. Luckily it is not entirely successful yet, but in annexed territories it is absolutely exterminating any mention of Ukrainian nationhood and ethnicity. Israel is much more successful, both now and in the long term.
  - incrudible 1y ago
    Hamas does not discriminate between civilian and military facilities in their operations. If there are militants near a piece of civilian infrastructure, should that give them legal immunity from being targeted, in your opinion? If so, how do you think that would affect the strategy of said militants? At least you're consistent in regards to Ukraine. Now let's take it one step further: Most of the infrastructure of Raqqa was destroyed in the war against ISIS[1]. Did the coalition therefore commit a genocide and/or massive war crimes? [1] https://time.com/5563553/mosul-raqqa-ruins-after-the-war-of-annihilation/ https://time.com/5563553/mosul-raqqa-ruins-after-the-war-of-...

peterashford 1y ago

No. The text is " a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" Ukraine is not killing Russians because they are Russian, Ukraine is killing Russians because Ukraine is being invaded.