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So, are they evil because they decided to stop sponsoring free network egress?

systemswizard 1y ago
Broadcom is deciding to host it on their own registry and bear the associated cost of doing so. Not sure what this has to do with sponsoring network egress
buzer 1y ago
The images are currently in Docker Hub. If $9/month (or $15, not 100% sure if $9 includes organizations) to keep those images available is too much for Bitnami I'm sure there are many organizations who wouldn't mind paying that bill for them (possibly even Docker Hub itself).
runamok 1y ago
Does said network egress cost $50k per user?
MathiasPius 1y ago
Others have already provided good answers. I wouldn't classify it as evil if all they did was to stop maintaining the images & charts, I recognise how much time, effort and money that takes. Companies and open source developers alike are free to say "We can no longer work on this". The evil part is in outright breaking people's systems, in violation of the implicit agreement established by having something be public in the first place. I know Broadcom inherited Bitnami as part of an acquisition and legally have no obligation to do anything, but ethically (which is why they are evil, not necessarily criminal) they absolutely have a duty to minimise the damage, which is 100% within their power & budget as others have pointed out. And this is before you even consider all the work unpaid contributors have put into Bitnami over the years (myself included).
- 7bit 1y ago
  that's an assumption, but Broadcom is most likely using open source software in all of their apps. So they do have a moral to also give something back. So just saying it's fair that they don't want to provide something for free anymore isn't really all that fair.
  - MathiasPius 1y ago
    Oh don't get me wrong, my claim is that they are not even clearing the absolute lowest bar when it comes to their stewardship of the Bitnami repositories: Do no harm.
  - luma 1y ago
    Expecting moral behavior from Hock Tan isn’t likely to pan out.
- tetha 1y ago
  It's also entirely fine if they delete these images to me. But not with a week of time frame, as originally intended. And sure, we can go ahead and discuss how this being free incurs no SLAs or guarantees. That's correct, but does not mean that such a short time frame is both rude and not a high quality of offering a service. If I look at how long it would take us to cancel a customer contract and off-board those... And apparently it costs $9 to host this for another month? Sheesh.
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  - 999900000999 1y ago
    If your doing anything serious you should have artifactory setup.
    - tetha 1y ago
      I agree. We do have mirrors setup, we do have observability into the images we use across the infrastructure. This has concluded we only have a minor issue with this move, wonderfully. But, just butting users with "Just do this good practice" or "Just do this NOW" still is an uphill battle and will usually not cause the best effect with users. We're currently doing this while moving our 2-3 artifactories into one. If we just shut this stuff off because "You should have more control with your builds", there'd be a riot. And sure, some people will still fail the migration no matter what. But such time frames are still punishing any but the most professional companies. That's all in all the work I consider a good operations team to do. Make a stink, provide a migration path, be noticeable, and push people off of the old stuff. Just breaking things because "you should have" is burning trust by the mile.
      - 999900000999 1y ago
        So much of this industry runs off of good will. Free software. Free docker images/registries. Then when a company is like "Hey, um we need to make money", every body gets upset. We need a more substainable way forward. I can't tell you what that looks like though.
- immibis 1y ago
  > The evil part is in outright breaking people's systems, in violation of the implicit agreement established by having something be public in the first place. Something, something, sticking your hand in a lawnmower and expecting it not to be cut off. Broadcom is second only to Oracle.
  - snickerdoodle12 1y ago
    would you mind getting in your time machine and telling me this before broadcomm acquired bitnami?

Broadcom is deciding to host it on their own registry and bear the associated cost of doing so. Not sure what this has to do with sponsoring network egress

buzer 1y ago

The images are currently in Docker Hub. If $9/month (or $15, not 100% sure if $9 includes organizations) to keep those images available is too much for Bitnami I'm sure there are many organizations who wouldn't mind paying that bill for them (possibly even Docker Hub itself).

runamok 1y ago

Does said network egress cost $50k per user?

MathiasPius 1y ago

Others have already provided good answers. I wouldn't classify it as evil if all they did was to stop maintaining the images & charts, I recognise how much time, effort and money that takes. Companies and open source developers alike are free to say "We can no longer work on this". The evil part is in outright breaking people's systems, in violation of the implicit agreement established by having something be public in the first place. I know Broadcom inherited Bitnami as part of an acquisition and legally have no obligation to do anything, but ethically (which is why they are evil, not necessarily criminal) they absolutely have a duty to minimise the damage, which is 100% within their power & budget as others have pointed out. And this is before you even consider all the work unpaid contributors have put into Bitnami over the years (myself included).

7bit 1y ago
that's an assumption, but Broadcom is most likely using open source software in all of their apps. So they do have a moral to also give something back. So just saying it's fair that they don't want to provide something for free anymore isn't really all that fair.
- MathiasPius 1y ago
  Oh don't get me wrong, my claim is that they are not even clearing the absolute lowest bar when it comes to their stewardship of the Bitnami repositories: Do no harm.
- luma 1y ago
  Expecting moral behavior from Hock Tan isn’t likely to pan out.
tetha 1y ago
It's also entirely fine if they delete these images to me. But not with a week of time frame, as originally intended. And sure, we can go ahead and discuss how this being free incurs no SLAs or guarantees. That's correct, but does not mean that such a short time frame is both rude and not a high quality of offering a service. If I look at how long it would take us to cancel a customer contract and off-board those... And apparently it costs $9 to host this for another month? Sheesh.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- 999900000999 1y ago
  If your doing anything serious you should have artifactory setup.
  - tetha 1y ago
    I agree. We do have mirrors setup, we do have observability into the images we use across the infrastructure. This has concluded we only have a minor issue with this move, wonderfully. But, just butting users with "Just do this good practice" or "Just do this NOW" still is an uphill battle and will usually not cause the best effect with users. We're currently doing this while moving our 2-3 artifactories into one. If we just shut this stuff off because "You should have more control with your builds", there'd be a riot. And sure, some people will still fail the migration no matter what. But such time frames are still punishing any but the most professional companies. That's all in all the work I consider a good operations team to do. Make a stink, provide a migration path, be noticeable, and push people off of the old stuff. Just breaking things because "you should have" is burning trust by the mile.
    - 999900000999 1y ago
      So much of this industry runs off of good will. Free software. Free docker images/registries. Then when a company is like "Hey, um we need to make money", every body gets upset. We need a more substainable way forward. I can't tell you what that looks like though.
immibis 1y ago
> The evil part is in outright breaking people's systems, in violation of the implicit agreement established by having something be public in the first place. Something, something, sticking your hand in a lawnmower and expecting it not to be cut off. Broadcom is second only to Oracle.
- snickerdoodle12 1y ago
  would you mind getting in your time machine and telling me this before broadcomm acquired bitnami?