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>Normally tariffs are collected by the receiving country when a package arrives. For good reason too, the sender engaged the carrier. The receiver has no busin

>Normally tariffs are collected by the receiving country when a package arrives. For good reason too, the sender engaged the carrier. The receiver has no business relationship with the carrier, so they don't have an opportunity to pay any tariff to the carrier. This is especially relevant when the carrier engages a local contractor for the last leg of a delivery, because they don't even have a presence there.

michaelt 1y ago
When I order things from China to the UK, on AliExpress, they arrive 'delivered duty paid' - i.e. aliexpress collects certain taxes from me at checkout, then the item doesn't get held up at the border. So there does seem to be some mechanism for closing the buyer-seller-taxman loop. Unfortunately I have yet to find a reliable way to send things using this system.
- chillax 1y ago
  Possible the UK version of this? https://vat-one-stop-shop.ec.europa.eu/index_en https://vat-one-stop-shop.ec.europa.eu/index_en
- Ekaros 1y ago
  I remember one UK content creator had some recipe books. I think the way to get them to EU was order from Ebay. SO big enough platform to have implemented whole thing... Not sure if that really works.
  - Symbiote 1y ago
    Royal Mail have a decent explanation: https://www.royalmail.com/business/international/guide/delivered-duties-paid-ioss/ioss https://www.royalmail.com/business/international/guide/deliv... Searching "EU IOSS UK" also shows some sort of support from Shopify and similar.
- lazyasciiart 1y ago
  Every business that wants to send something to the UK is required to register with the British government and collect VAT on items shipped to Britain. So yes, the US could have a system like that - just get a couple DOGE kids to vibe code it tomorrow, huh. https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/united-kingdom/corporate/other-taxes https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/united-kingdom/corporate/other-...
  - Symbiote 1y ago
    Foreign businesses aren't required to register and collect UK VAT on items they send there, but by doing so they avoid their customers paying the £8 handling fee charged by Royal Mail. An £8 fee makes a cheap product bought from China unappealing, so those sites do pay the fees. It's less important if the British person is buying something for €100 from a tiny French business.
- Cordiali 1y ago
  I was gonna mention that, but I felt I was waffling on a bit, so I deleted it! We've got the same thing with GST, basically like VAT or sales tax. So that'll appear on the invoice from AliExpress or Steam or wherever. Businesses have a threshold before they need to charge it though. If they're under that threshold (like a small business), but the value of goods is over another threshold, then the receiver has to pay GST. If I remember correctly, customs would mail me a letter, and I'd pay it like a tariff. Which brings me back to the main point, that's just that the carrier has nothing to do with it. It's ridiculous to get them involved in a transaction they're not a party to. Process might be slightly different, I'm remembering from about fifteen years ago.
  - Symbiote 1y ago
    Using the EU and UK systems is optional, but without using it the small business's customers might be annoyed by the handling fees applied by the recipient's mail carrier, and the delay it causes. I have seen some foreign merchants (I think DigiKey?) offer the choice, as their business customers don't need to pay VAT directly in this way, and may well prefer to do the import paperwork themselves. I haven't seen a choice for any large retailer (Amazon, eBay, Etsy, AliExpress etc). They don't want customers annoyed by fees, or returned packages from unpaid fees and duties.
albumen 1y ago
It's better if the sender includes tariffs/import duties in the price the customer pays originally, but it's easy to set up a system where the receiving country collects taxes on incoming deliveries. Ireland has it: https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Receiving/Pay-Customs-Charge https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Receiving/Pay-Customs-Ch... I get an SMS saying that my parcel has arrived in the country but I have to pay customs before it's released for delivery, done via the site above.

michaelt 1y ago

When I order things from China to the UK, on AliExpress, they arrive 'delivered duty paid' - i.e. aliexpress collects certain taxes from me at checkout, then the item doesn't get held up at the border. So there does seem to be some mechanism for closing the buyer-seller-taxman loop. Unfortunately I have yet to find a reliable way to send things using this system.

chillax 1y ago
Possible the UK version of this? https://vat-one-stop-shop.ec.europa.eu/index_en https://vat-one-stop-shop.ec.europa.eu/index_en
Ekaros 1y ago
I remember one UK content creator had some recipe books. I think the way to get them to EU was order from Ebay. SO big enough platform to have implemented whole thing... Not sure if that really works.
- Symbiote 1y ago
  Royal Mail have a decent explanation: https://www.royalmail.com/business/international/guide/delivered-duties-paid-ioss/ioss https://www.royalmail.com/business/international/guide/deliv... Searching "EU IOSS UK" also shows some sort of support from Shopify and similar.
lazyasciiart 1y ago
Every business that wants to send something to the UK is required to register with the British government and collect VAT on items shipped to Britain. So yes, the US could have a system like that - just get a couple DOGE kids to vibe code it tomorrow, huh. https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/united-kingdom/corporate/other-taxes https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/united-kingdom/corporate/other-...
- Symbiote 1y ago
  Foreign businesses aren't required to register and collect UK VAT on items they send there, but by doing so they avoid their customers paying the £8 handling fee charged by Royal Mail. An £8 fee makes a cheap product bought from China unappealing, so those sites do pay the fees. It's less important if the British person is buying something for €100 from a tiny French business.
Cordiali 1y ago
I was gonna mention that, but I felt I was waffling on a bit, so I deleted it! We've got the same thing with GST, basically like VAT or sales tax. So that'll appear on the invoice from AliExpress or Steam or wherever. Businesses have a threshold before they need to charge it though. If they're under that threshold (like a small business), but the value of goods is over another threshold, then the receiver has to pay GST. If I remember correctly, customs would mail me a letter, and I'd pay it like a tariff. Which brings me back to the main point, that's just that the carrier has nothing to do with it. It's ridiculous to get them involved in a transaction they're not a party to. Process might be slightly different, I'm remembering from about fifteen years ago.
- Symbiote 1y ago
  Using the EU and UK systems is optional, but without using it the small business's customers might be annoyed by the handling fees applied by the recipient's mail carrier, and the delay it causes. I have seen some foreign merchants (I think DigiKey?) offer the choice, as their business customers don't need to pay VAT directly in this way, and may well prefer to do the import paperwork themselves. I haven't seen a choice for any large retailer (Amazon, eBay, Etsy, AliExpress etc). They don't want customers annoyed by fees, or returned packages from unpaid fees and duties.

albumen 1y ago

It's better if the sender includes tariffs/import duties in the price the customer pays originally, but it's easy to set up a system where the receiving country collects taxes on incoming deliveries. Ireland has it: https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Receiving/Pay-Customs-Charge https://www.anpost.com/Post-Parcels/Receiving/Pay-Customs-Ch... I get an SMS saying that my parcel has arrived in the country but I have to pay customs before it's released for delivery, done via the site above.