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This could actually be good but instead it just comes across as a coded xenophobic rant. Wasted opportunity!
by jamesalvarez 1y ago
This could actually be good but instead it just comes across as a coded xenophobic rant. Wasted opportunity!
- thierrydamiba 1y agoFeature or bug?
- dkiebd 1y agoAnd it’s actually good. Immigration does not do 30 year olds any favours. It only helps businesses and pensioners.
- rhubarbtree 1y agoIn the west there are not enough young people to support the elderly, and immigration of young people can help to address this problem to the benefit of everyone.
- dkiebd 1y agoNo, you mean to the benefit of pensioners. Plus there are enough people to care of old people. It’s just that immigrants cause such downward pressure on salaries that elder care is not a viable job sector for most.
- Husieandr 1y ago[flagged]
- Telemakhos 1y agoI see this argument fairly often, but rarely do I see the premises questioned. Why do the elderly need to be supported? Wealth is concentrated in their hands (especially in the UK), while younger generations are struggling to be able to afford housing let alone build wealth. Perhaps society should focus less on supporting the generations who have already accumulated wealth and instead focus on supporting the generations who are starting families.
- 9dev 1y agoThey need someone to literally care for them. In Germany for example, there are far too few people working in elderly care, and it’s a huge problem if we don’t want them to die of starvation, malnutrition or falling down the stairs with nobody to find them there. Even wealth can’t magically summon the humans necessary to do that kind of work, robots are no solution for the foreseeable future and I don’t think starting a family is easy if you have to take care of your parents and/or grandparents.
- dkiebd 1y agoThere are far too few people working in elderly care because it pays peanuts. It pays peanuts because immigration increases the supply of workers. With a limited supply of workers and increased demand as more people get older, those jobs would pay well and natives would want to do them. It’s basic economy. It works well in countries that are not a free for all regarding immigration.
- 9dev 1y agoThat is simply wrong. Social work has always been badly paid, exhausting, and ungrateful. You’re twisting the past to fit into your contrived narrative of immigrants somehow wage-dumping us, but that’s simply wrong, it’s not what has happened in the EU.
- dkiebd 1y agoI can go with your gut feeling or I can go with what I’ve seen in the market whilst looking for a woman to take care of elders in my family. Or with what I’ve heard from people in the hospitality and agriculture sectors. It’s not that natives don’t want to work, it’s that immigrants undercut everybody. Not to mention what they’ve done to the housing sector of course. It’s unlivable. We run a country, not a charity. Edit since I can’t respond anymore: You assume two things: that you can’t work for less than the minimum wage (you can, since most elder care work is paid under the table) and that you can have a good life with the minimum wage (you can’t, unless you are okay with truly bad living conditions). And a country has to prioritise the wellbeing of the natives first. You can’t destroy the lives of the poor and the young natives just to feel better about yourself.
- oulipo 1y agoIt helps everyone, migrants pay more taxes than they get out of the system in benefits. Plus they often do jobs that many people wouldn't otherwise
- Husieandr 1y ago[flagged]
- Telemakhos 1y agoDo migrants do jobs that native-born citizens would not under any circumstances do, or do they do jobs that native-born citizens would not do for the low wages that migrants are willing to accept?
- 9dev 1y agoWe’re talking about minimum wage jobs, so the low wages are capped at the bottom for everyone anyway. And yes, there’s absolutely "native born" workers that will and do work for minimum wage already.
- extraisland 1y agoRegarding the taxation argument. That may have been true in the past (it doesn't account that many of these people stay and then will need to supported when they become elderly) but under the "Boris Wave" immigration boom that is no longer the case. It doesn't address the other problems such as social cohesion.
- Gud 1y agoThis really depends on the quality of the migrants coming. The immigration policies of my home country Sweden has been detrimental for the Swedes. I live in Zürich and there are a lot of foreigners here. Here it’s not so clear cut if it’s for the better or for the worse.
- lurker44 1y ago>Plus they often do jobs that many people wouldn't otherwise because the wages are low, why are the wages low? because these jobs have access to an unlimited amount of strikebreakers/migrants willing to do them for those low wages, so the wage stays suppressed and low, instead of allowing market mechanics to bring those wages up
- rob_c 1y ago[flagged]
- komali2 1y agoI wish conservative humor was actually funny. I got a question that was about extinction rebellion blocking my bus. I chose "move them out of the way." The result: > You and another guy chuck them off the road. The bus drives through and you run after it and jump back on. The protestors are crying. Eugh. And everyone clapped. The other guy? Albert Einstein.
- jadamson 1y agohttps://metro.co.uk/2025/04/10/angry-driver-forces-protesters-off-busy-london-road-swarm-capital-22884551/ https://metro.co.uk/2025/04/10/angry-driver-forces-protester... It literally happened, though? Bus and everything? More than once, in fact: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/09/watch-motorists-drag-just-stop-oil-protesters-road/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/10/09/watch-motorists-... https://news.sky.com/story/furious-commuters-drag-extinction-rebellion-protester-from-top-of-tube-11837385 https://news.sky.com/story/furious-commuters-drag-extinction...
- spangry 1y agoI missed that bit. What did it say?
- komali2 1y agoOverblown dog whistles about "celebrate hijab day" or some such made-up nonsense I only hear about in conservative self victimisation fantasies.
- password321 1y agoI volunteered at a school. Rather than celebrating Christmas or Halloween, they had to celebrate Diwali because Christmas/Halloween might be too offensive or not inclusive enough. The country has gone mad.
- komali2 1y ago1. I don't believe your framing 2. What's wrong with celebrating Diwali? 3. Why should anyone care? Did anyone stop you from celebrating Christmas with your friends and family? P.s. according to your post history you have based anti capitalist positioning on the pointlessness of most white collar labor, what happened to make you participate on the wrong side in a meaningless culture war that's just a distraction from the reduction in material conditions of the working class?
- password321 1y agoWell of course you don’t believe me, it goes against your narrative. But I’m sure someone living in Taiwan knows better than someone British currently in the UK. Also that is quite an overreach on basic observations that are generally agreed upon and weren't anti-capitalist.
- olddustytrail 1y agoI don't believe you because I live in the UK and the idea that people don't celebrate Christmas is beyond moronic. The shops start doing Christmas stuff the day after Halloween. It's unending Christmas songs for two months. Tell me you seriously didn't notice this.
- 1dom 1y agoGreat way of putting it. This looks like ragebait. First 2 things I saw: - the idea that £100k deposit is needed to buy a house - some weird stuff about nationwide initiatives and hypothesised awkward conversations with people who might be Muslims. Maybe I got unlucky?
- ffsm8 1y agoSounds more like you live in a better area then he does. And by better I mean with less issues, not richer necessarily. While I admit that I don't live in the UK, I suspect it's similar to my experience from over the sea in Hamburg. I've recently moved there into a district with >50% migrants for roughly 3 yrs - not really expecting anything as I was still positive about everything. Finding apartment listings in the online portals explicitly saying they will only allow Muslims was surprising to me, but I ignored it thinking, whatever. Well, after moving into another apartment in the same area was an eye opener for me. Really, I'm frankly surprised there are people still in denial how bad it's gotten. Well, not really surprised. I mean I was one of them in 2021.
- whatsupdog 1y ago[flagged]
- Neil44 1y agoI knew it was going to be coded from the headline, wasn't sure in which direction. Cheers for saving the click.
- extraisland 1y agoI wasn't. It was more a satire on some of the ridiculous stuff in UK political culture and corporate culture. In it is literally has emails from Linda on total nonsense corporate cringe stuff that I am shielded from because I wfh.
- Husieandr 1y ago[flagged]
- bogdan 1y ago[flagged]
- hn_throw2025 1y agoSo the UK (pop 69M) has had net migration figures of 760K, 860K, and 430K over the last three years. UK finances have wafer-thin fiscal headroom. A significant chunk of monthly borrowing is spent on interest payments. There is no surplus for increased spending on public services. If demand keeps increasing and supply remains the same, people can feel their quality of life decreasing. A rapidly increasing population has a greater need for GP appointments, hospital treatment, school places, housing, food, policing, roads, electricity, water, sewage, etc. You can think of it as a meta issue that affects many of our existing capacity problems. So those who want to hand-wave away immigration as a right-wing dog whistle need to put a bit more thought into it.
- derelicta 1y ago[flagged]
- password321 1y agoMost of Africa which mostly hasn't been bombed by the West. Billions of charity investment.
- defrost 1y agoThe west and the east are still gutting African resources to this day via a bunch of carrots and sticks that rarely include direct bombing by a Western country or China. Plenty of western mercenary groups supporting traditional land takeover by corporations, funding radical groups to destabilize effective governments forming or growing in strength is still ongoing.
- derelicta 1y agoI know right. Folks don't understand that people who come to our countries are also workers whose countries have been destroyed by OUR elites. A bit of solidarity would be healthy, useful and anchored in reality.
- subsistence234 1y agoWhenever anyone on earth does something bad, it's basically Nick's fault. Nobody except Nick has agency or responsibility. They're all victims, except Nick.