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> Pay me more to fix it, not my problem that your requests is failing. If you are employed in a position where there is a defect in the product then you are al

> Pay me more to fix it, not my problem that your requests is failing. If you are employed in a position where there is a defect in the product then you are already being paid. Imagine going to a restaurant and you get an uncooked frozen steak, and when you tell the waiter they tell you that since the cook will need to spend more time on it you now have to pay extra.

throwaway290 1y ago
Look at the price of the car compared to other electric SUVs. This is a mcdonalds type of situation. not a restaurant where you can request to cook a rare steak a bit more and not get charged extra
- robinsonb5 1y ago
  Even in McDonalds if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention. If it turned out the door locks on the car were defective you'd expect them to be replaced under warranty. If the warranty had expired the situation would, admittedly, be a bit murkier - but you could still make a case that since the locks had always been faulty they'd be the manufacturer's responsibility. Someone I used to work with had a car a few years ago on which the battery would mysteriously drain for no obvious reason. It turned out to be a defect in the infotainment system's firmware - and he was furious that he was expected to pay for the firmware update to fix it. (The car was long out of warranty, though.)
  - reactordev 1y ago
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    - aembleton 1y ago
      > You do this, they’ll spit in it. I didn't work there long, but I don't remember anyone doing that.
    - jpc0 1y ago
      Are you just a mean person on general that you think bringing a problem to the attention of wait staff would cause them to become malicious? Be a nice human being and you won’t receive that treatment. If your McDonalds wait staff are generally malicious without any provocation, well vote with your feet, nobody is making you eat McDonalds, the sales numbers will correct he problem.
      - reactordev 1y ago
        While as noble as that sounds, there’s only so much nice in the tank in a day. Wait staff and fast food workers are treated terribly and so you end up with folks about to snap. There’s a lot of evidence of this happening in the USA if you just do a search. It’s uncommon, but it happens. At those prices, I’d just rather purchase the item to be made again. But yes, be a good human.
        netsharc 1y ago
        You read some stuff on search and you think it somethings that happens more than it really does. In general they don't care, it's not coming out of their paychecks, they'll give you another burger, go away now. When I worked at McDonald's we'd have the favorite burgers pre-made and they'd be left at the warming tray, so orders can be taken care of in maybe 30 seconds, but I guess nowadays that's too wasteful so the burgers are made on demand. There was a day like "Big Macs for $1" day, so we had a line of maybe 50 Big Macs queued, wrapped and ready to eat, that the foreman said "Slow it down with the Big Macs!".
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    > if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention Go there and request a rare steak or idk steak with kimchi, let is know how it goes! This is a Korean car and probably secure enough in korea where you usually don't lock your bike and/or house. If it not secure if you park it on the street in SF/London/Magadan/Capetown/Kabul are you sure they owe you a free "fix" for everything that may occur
    - OutOfHere 1y ago
      That's absurd logic as cybersecurity applies everywhere. Also, they need to secure it the international markets they're selling it in.
      - throwaway290 1y ago
        You are confusing infosec on the internet which is global and local crime which is not global and VERY different per country
        OutOfHere 1y ago
        In the internet age, all it takes is a generic programmable radio signal emitter device. The logic is probably even free available on some GitHub repo.
        throwaway290 1y ago
        You don't seem to understand the idea: For internet security, you get everyone hack you from north koreans and beyond. For house and car security it depends on what crime is in your location and how police work. Some places have almost zero so people literally don't care to lock doors. Some places need locks to stop opportunists. Some places you need electric fences and 24/7 security with guns and keep valuables in safes to hopefully slow down their removal until security comes. It's not comparable to cyber
    - dghlsakjg 1y ago

throwaway290 1y ago

Look at the price of the car compared to other electric SUVs. This is a mcdonalds type of situation. not a restaurant where you can request to cook a rare steak a bit more and not get charged extra

robinsonb5 1y ago
Even in McDonalds if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention. If it turned out the door locks on the car were defective you'd expect them to be replaced under warranty. If the warranty had expired the situation would, admittedly, be a bit murkier - but you could still make a case that since the locks had always been faulty they'd be the manufacturer's responsibility. Someone I used to work with had a car a few years ago on which the battery would mysteriously drain for no obvious reason. It turned out to be a defect in the infotainment system's firmware - and he was furious that he was expected to pay for the firmware update to fix it. (The car was long out of warranty, though.)
- reactordev 1y ago
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  - aembleton 1y ago
    > You do this, they’ll spit in it. I didn't work there long, but I don't remember anyone doing that.
  - jpc0 1y ago
    Are you just a mean person on general that you think bringing a problem to the attention of wait staff would cause them to become malicious? Be a nice human being and you won’t receive that treatment. If your McDonalds wait staff are generally malicious without any provocation, well vote with your feet, nobody is making you eat McDonalds, the sales numbers will correct he problem.
    - reactordev 1y ago
      While as noble as that sounds, there’s only so much nice in the tank in a day. Wait staff and fast food workers are treated terribly and so you end up with folks about to snap. There’s a lot of evidence of this happening in the USA if you just do a search. It’s uncommon, but it happens. At those prices, I’d just rather purchase the item to be made again. But yes, be a good human.
      - netsharc 1y ago
        You read some stuff on search and you think it somethings that happens more than it really does. In general they don't care, it's not coming out of their paychecks, they'll give you another burger, go away now. When I worked at McDonald's we'd have the favorite burgers pre-made and they'd be left at the warming tray, so orders can be taken care of in maybe 30 seconds, but I guess nowadays that's too wasteful so the burgers are made on demand. There was a day like "Big Macs for $1" day, so we had a line of maybe 50 Big Macs queued, wrapped and ready to eat, that the foreman said "Slow it down with the Big Macs!".
- throwaway290 1y ago
  > if what they give you is defective they will replace it without question once you bring it to their attention Go there and request a rare steak or idk steak with kimchi, let is know how it goes! This is a Korean car and probably secure enough in korea where you usually don't lock your bike and/or house. If it not secure if you park it on the street in SF/London/Magadan/Capetown/Kabul are you sure they owe you a free "fix" for everything that may occur
  - OutOfHere 1y ago
    That's absurd logic as cybersecurity applies everywhere. Also, they need to secure it the international markets they're selling it in.
    - throwaway290 1y ago
      You are confusing infosec on the internet which is global and local crime which is not global and VERY different per country
      - OutOfHere 1y ago
        In the internet age, all it takes is a generic programmable radio signal emitter device. The logic is probably even free available on some GitHub repo.
        throwaway290 1y ago
        You don't seem to understand the idea: For internet security, you get everyone hack you from north koreans and beyond. For house and car security it depends on what crime is in your location and how police work. Some places have almost zero so people literally don't care to lock doors. Some places need locks to stop opportunists. Some places you need electric fences and 24/7 security with guns and keep valuables in safes to hopefully slow down their removal until security comes. It's not comparable to cyber
  - dghlsakjg 1y ago