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The nature of Chinese censorship makes it difficult to provide hard numbers, but it really is worse. America's handling of censorship is certainly not the best,
by euleriancon 1y ago
The nature of Chinese censorship makes it difficult to provide hard numbers, but it really is worse. America's handling of censorship is certainly not the best, and it has gotten worse recently, but it is not on the level of China.
- jennyholzer 1y ago[flagged]
- euleriancon 1y agoPlane tickets to China are relatively cheap right now. LAX to PEK round trip for $750. Take a trip and see for yourself.
- jennyholzer 1y agosomehow i'm not convinced by your argument
- euleriancon 1y agoHere is a list of items that matter for an American. It is much worse if you are from Hong Kong or Taiwan. 1. Instagram, Facebook, Youtube, Twitter (basically all major American social media platforms) are not accessible without a VPN. Some major VPN providers have also been banned as well. The counter argument is that many Huawei products are also banned. But I actively use Harmony OS on my Huawei smart watch. I can view Bilibili content, XiaoHongShu, QQ, and other platforms on any device without issue. 2. State media propaganda. My first time seeing state movies was shocking how in your face the propaganda was. It is completely blatant. From talking with locals about it, they recognize it as propaganda (although the Chinese word for propaganda doesn't have the same negative connotation as in English). I haven't watched state sponsored news to get a feel for their bias, but from the amount I have seen they are certainly selectively with their content. Everything focuses and the achievements Xi JinPing has recently achieved. The idea of a media outlet reporting on something silly the president has done is absurd. 3. The surveillance infrastructure in China surpasses even the UK. The number of cameras almost looks like a gag. Once again, the nature of how opaque the government is means it is difficult to say with any degree of certainty what they use the data for, but they certainly collect a lot.
- antonymoose 1y agoAt least the Chinese have the courtesy to be obvious about it. The American and European powers pretend we’re free and open societies while actively undermining public speech that it doesn’t like.
- ambicapter 1y agoYou think they're obvious about it intentionally?
- rangestransform 1y agoI think they cultivate the image of having a panopticon to say to citizens "don't even try", but in reality the censors can't see everything
- antonymoose 1y agoIsn’t that the entire point of their system, the social score lets you know exactly what’s going on?
- aisosodndn 1y agoThe social score is not real. That is western propaganda in action.
- euleriancon 1y agoWhat are you referring to? gov.cn page on social credit system plan https://www.ndrc.gov.cn/xxgk/zcfb/tz/202406/P020240604321155857118.pdf https://www.ndrc.gov.cn/xxgk/zcfb/tz/202406/P020240604321155... gov.cn page on social credit system suggested changes/opinions https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202503/content_7016535.htm https://www.gov.cn/zhengce/202503/content_7016535.htm baidu page on social credit system https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%A4%BE%E4%BC%9A%E4%BF%A1%E7%94%A8%E4%BD%93%E7%B3%BB/1057379 https://baike.baidu.com/item/%E7%A4%BE%E4%BC%9A%E4%BF%A1%E7%... Are you making the distinction that its name is actually the social credit system and not social score? Or that the system isn't fully in place yet. Or perhaps are you suggesting that gov.cn and baidu are part of the deep state's propaganda plan against China.
- 1oooqooq 1y agothere's a paper that compares both when it comes to promoting organized political action (which is the only type of censorship that is not morally justifiable under any semblance of democracy) and both countries scored the same low points. both got high passing grades on allowing meaningless complaining about government.