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"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates. If you'd like to b

by hashset 14y ago

"DeveloperAuction.com is currently open only to employees of Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Zynga, and Google as well as Stanford & MIT graduates. If you'd like to be notified as we expand, please contact us." Only Stanford and MIT graduates? What about the other 99.9% of tech grads?

jquery 14y ago
It's just so they seem exclusive. Also makes launching easier. Two birds with one stone.
- waterlesscloud 14y ago
  Someone watched The Social Network a few too many times.
phazmatis 14y ago
You forgot "notable github profiles". Although their standards are probably extremely high, and anyone who measures up is buried under recruiter emails anyway.
- Matt_Mickiewicz 14y ago
  Rather than being buried under recruiter emails (who frequently keep their client identities a secret), we hope they'd participate on DeveloperAuction instead in order to be exposed to some cool companies & interesting opportunities in a condensed time-frame.
bithive123 14y ago
Kind of rude of them not to mention this when you create your profile. Am I supposed to spend my time filling it out only to be rejected because I'm not already part of their club? Message received! Edit: It seems there is no way to delete my profile either.
- johnbellone 14y ago
  Agreed, I was very irritated when an elitist is calling me second-rate and couldn't bother to implement a destroy method for me to delete my profile.
myhf 14y ago
Presumably the other 99.9% are already being paid what they are worth.
bluestix 14y ago
Not good enough. Stanford and MIT have seekrit computer knowledge. Lol.
DigitalSea 14y ago
How about us ghetto developers who taught ourselves everything and know just as much, perhaps sometimes even more than those who endured years of study? I hate the way society works. Just because someone went to a good university doesn't make them a great engineer/developer. I've encountered numerous developers who went to good universities and knew half as much as I did.
- usmanity 14y ago
  Agreed. I hate how because I don't have a degree, I somehow don't know programming as someone who took english classes for 3 years.
- jquery 14y ago
  You will bow down to the Ivy-League appointed nobility and accept society's <del>educational</del> caste system without complaint.
  - Maascamp 14y ago
    Well, to be fair I went to an Ivy League school and am not eligible to participate either.
  - NonEUCitizen 14y ago
    Neither Stanford nor MIT are Ivy-League. Ivy-League alumni are actually disqualified by default, and will have to qualify by some other means like working at Google or Facebook. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League
    - DigitalSea 14y ago
      Isn't the only way to get a job at Facebook or Google to be a developer fresh out of college/university with a degree in CS or equivalent anyway? I have a friend who got a job working at Google Australia in Sydney and he had a CS degree, I doubt he would have been hired, let alone got through their strenuous interview process without his education papers in tow. Not that there is anything wrong with wanting to undertake some kind of degree, I respect that. It's when having a degree is considered the only real entry into Facebook or Google, or any large Internet company which in turn gets you into a service like this, the gaps start to widen. Unless you work for a company that gets acquired by one of these big companies, you need a degree, no ifs or buts. I don't mind not being a part of the service myself, it's a great idea. I would just love to get in on it though, I think I am a decent developer with a decent list of Github repositories and code contributions to other projects as well as years of experience.
allangrant 14y ago
This is just the starting point, because these organizations already have rigorous hiring practices. I know - this sucks. But it's just a starting point. We're trying to come up with ideas for how to open it up to a wider audience while still keeping up quality. Any ideas?
- ryanmolden 14y ago
  Non-trivial coding challenges with entries evaluated by existing members. Coming up evaluation/scoring criteria may be tricky, as would enticing the engineers to take the time / effort to do a thorough evaluation of submissions, and a diverse enough set of challenges to appeal to a broad cross-section of candidates.
rcthompson 14y ago
My reading was that the choice was more or less arbitrary in order to get a sufficiently small set to use as a test/proof of concept. Having no knowledge of the founders at all, I would guess that some of the founders graduated from those universities and either worked at or know people who worked at those companies, and so they chose that list to start with because they were familiar with the range of quality they could expect of programmers from those places. The second sentence in the quote outright tells you that they plan to expand this list. Presumably they could be convinced to advance their expansion schedule if there was a lot of demand from people not fitting their stated starter profile. Basically, I think commenters here are making a big deal about something that's really just a temporary filter to reduce the volume of applicants until the company is ready to scale up. Maybe I'm being too trusting, but I didn't read anything sinister into it.
- Matt_Mickiewicz 14y ago
  You hit the nail on the head. It was/is a temporary filter, it's a band-aid awaiting a better long-term fix. Certainly the list of half a dozen or so companies isn't meant to be all inclusive. We'd love to hear your suggestions/feedback on how we can avoid being spammed with 100,000+ applications and how we can better determine which candidates will attract job offers & interest from employers.
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by hashset 14y ago

jquery 14y ago

It's just so they seem exclusive. Also makes launching easier. Two birds with one stone.

waterlesscloud 14y ago
Someone watched The Social Network a few too many times.

phazmatis 14y ago

You forgot "notable github profiles". Although their standards are probably extremely high, and anyone who measures up is buried under recruiter emails anyway.

Matt_Mickiewicz 14y ago
Rather than being buried under recruiter emails (who frequently keep their client identities a secret), we hope they'd participate on DeveloperAuction instead in order to be exposed to some cool companies & interesting opportunities in a condensed time-frame.

bithive123 14y ago

Kind of rude of them not to mention this when you create your profile. Am I supposed to spend my time filling it out only to be rejected because I'm not already part of their club? Message received! Edit: It seems there is no way to delete my profile either.

johnbellone 14y ago
Agreed, I was very irritated when an elitist is calling me second-rate and couldn't bother to implement a destroy method for me to delete my profile.

myhf 14y ago

Presumably the other 99.9% are already being paid what they are worth.

bluestix 14y ago

Not good enough. Stanford and MIT have seekrit computer knowledge. Lol.

DigitalSea 14y ago

How about us ghetto developers who taught ourselves everything and know just as much, perhaps sometimes even more than those who endured years of study? I hate the way society works. Just because someone went to a good university doesn't make them a great engineer/developer. I've encountered numerous developers who went to good universities and knew half as much as I did.

usmanity 14y ago
Agreed. I hate how because I don't have a degree, I somehow don't know programming as someone who took english classes for 3 years.
jquery 14y ago
You will bow down to the Ivy-League appointed nobility and accept society's <del>educational</del> caste system without complaint.
- Maascamp 14y ago
  Well, to be fair I went to an Ivy League school and am not eligible to participate either.
- NonEUCitizen 14y ago
  Neither Stanford nor MIT are Ivy-League. Ivy-League alumni are actually disqualified by default, and will have to qualify by some other means like working at Google or Facebook. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League
  - DigitalSea 14y ago
    Isn't the only way to get a job at Facebook or Google to be a developer fresh out of college/university with a degree in CS or equivalent anyway? I have a friend who got a job working at Google Australia in Sydney and he had a CS degree, I doubt he would have been hired, let alone got through their strenuous interview process without his education papers in tow. Not that there is anything wrong with wanting to undertake some kind of degree, I respect that. It's when having a degree is considered the only real entry into Facebook or Google, or any large Internet company which in turn gets you into a service like this, the gaps start to widen. Unless you work for a company that gets acquired by one of these big companies, you need a degree, no ifs or buts. I don't mind not being a part of the service myself, it's a great idea. I would just love to get in on it though, I think I am a decent developer with a decent list of Github repositories and code contributions to other projects as well as years of experience.

allangrant 14y ago

This is just the starting point, because these organizations already have rigorous hiring practices. I know - this sucks. But it's just a starting point. We're trying to come up with ideas for how to open it up to a wider audience while still keeping up quality. Any ideas?

ryanmolden 14y ago
Non-trivial coding challenges with entries evaluated by existing members. Coming up evaluation/scoring criteria may be tricky, as would enticing the engineers to take the time / effort to do a thorough evaluation of submissions, and a diverse enough set of challenges to appeal to a broad cross-section of candidates.

rcthompson 14y ago

My reading was that the choice was more or less arbitrary in order to get a sufficiently small set to use as a test/proof of concept. Having no knowledge of the founders at all, I would guess that some of the founders graduated from those universities and either worked at or know people who worked at those companies, and so they chose that list to start with because they were familiar with the range of quality they could expect of programmers from those places. The second sentence in the quote outright tells you that they plan to expand this list. Presumably they could be convinced to advance their expansion schedule if there was a lot of demand from people not fitting their stated starter profile. Basically, I think commenters here are making a big deal about something that's really just a temporary filter to reduce the volume of applicants until the company is ready to scale up. Maybe I'm being too trusting, but I didn't read anything sinister into it.

Matt_Mickiewicz 14y ago
You hit the nail on the head. It was/is a temporary filter, it's a band-aid awaiting a better long-term fix. Certainly the list of half a dozen or so companies isn't meant to be all inclusive. We'd love to hear your suggestions/feedback on how we can avoid being spammed with 100,000+ applications and how we can better determine which candidates will attract job offers & interest from employers.

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