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Well, it takes a while to learn Vim and then get value from it. It also takes a while to learn using an LLM and get value from it. The keys are how to build p

Well, it takes a while to learn Vim and then get value from it. It also takes a while to learn using an LLM and get value from it. The keys are how to build prompts, ways of working, and guidelines that help the AI stay focused. You end up spending much more time guiding and coaching rather than coding, that can take a while to get used to. Eventually though, you will master it and be able to write secure, fast code far beyond what you could have done by yourself. Note: Also, prep yourself for incoming hate every time you make claims like that! If you write bad code, it's your fault. If your LLM writes bad code, you're a moron! hah

throwawa14223 1y ago
So you're taking an easy task, formal logic, and replacing it with a more difficult and time consuming task, babysitting a random number generator. How is that a net-positive?
- calrain 1y ago
  I get your position, and I don't want to sound dismissive, but when you really learn how to manage an LLM for a complex piece of software far beyond what you have time for, you see the benefits. Try
  - hckrfucrs 1y ago
    I have lost a few friends to llm sycophancy induced psychosis wherein they believe, and are encouraged to believe by the llm that, they are the sole individuals who have cracked "prompting", and, in fact, by so doing, have summoned the singularity for their sole benefit and under their sole control. You sound exactly like them.
    - thrown-0825 1y ago
      You sound like the child of a psychotherapist.
      - sanderhnoj 1y ago
        [dead]
      - Seb-C 1y ago
        And having a better understanding of psychology is a good thing, isn't it?
    - sanderhnoj 1y ago
      Unsure if OP's friend, but this comment reminded me of this viral post: https://xcancel.com/GeoffLewisOrg/status/1945212979173097560 https://xcancel.com/GeoffLewisOrg/status/1945212979173097560 > A Prominent OpenAI Investor Appears to Be Suffering a ChatGPT-Related Mental Health Crisis, His Peers Say "I find it kind of disturbing even to watch it." From https://futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-health https://futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-health
  - ath3nd 1y ago
    > LLM for a complex piece of software far beyond what you have time for, you see the benefits. Are LLMs the new Agile/Scrum? "Once you really learn Scrum, it will solve all world problems and clean your house? Your experience is totally different? Skill issue. Try again." I get your position and don't want to sound dismissive either, however I want to point out that in the only recent study actually trying to measure the productivity gains of LLMs it was observed that there is an actual 19% reduction of gains for experienced developers when using an LLM. https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o... I asked an LLM to tell me why it "thinks" you observe an increase of productivity while studies show that for experienced developers it's a decrease, and it came up with the following "ideas": "LLMs Fill Gaps in Knowledge Instantly. Junior developers often face friction from: - Unfamiliar syntax - Unclear documentation - Uncertainty about best practices" Again, I don't want to sound dismissive, but have you considered that instead of people not seeing the gains you are talking about due to a skills issue with how to fine prompt LLMs, that it's you seeing gains you wouldn't otherwise had you been more skillful?
    - booleandilemma 1y ago
      This corroborates my observation that the people I've seen most excited about LLMs are management types who know how to code but not really. They love to talk about how productive LLMs make them. I think the alleged increased productivity is just in their heads.
      - ath3nd 1y ago
        There are always gonna be those business that claim that LLMs/Scrum/NFTs/Crypto/web3 is the next coming of Jesus, and that's normal, their survival depends on that. There are also gonna be developers swearing by XYZ, either because it genuinely worked for them (causation is not correlation) or because they don't want to appear clueless in an industry that's vibe based and tells you that if you don't succeed using shiny tool XYZ, you are doing it wrong. The same way it was modern in some companies to hire a dedicated Scrum master for a full time position within a team, I already can imagine companies having job openings for an "Expert LLM-prompter" (or, to make it sound more legit: "Staff LLM-prompt engineer"). Take it from the funny side: the companies obsessed about productivity and efficiency will most likely be staffed with 100s of scrum masters and 100s of prompt engineers and probably one or two guys that actually do the real work. That's kind of hilarious, you gotta admit. The emperor has had no clothes for quite some time already, but vibes do be vibing, that's the society we live in. Don't worry, you are not alone in finding the hype hard to bear. I don't think LLMs will become irrelevant as fast or as much like crypto/web3/nfts and Meta's metaverse did, but to me the amount of shouting and clothes tearing for what's essentially a fancy autocomplete (fight me on this) is just such a turn off.

throwawa14223 1y ago

So you're taking an easy task, formal logic, and replacing it with a more difficult and time consuming task, babysitting a random number generator. How is that a net-positive?

calrain 1y ago
I get your position, and I don't want to sound dismissive, but when you really learn how to manage an LLM for a complex piece of software far beyond what you have time for, you see the benefits. Try
- hckrfucrs 1y ago
  I have lost a few friends to llm sycophancy induced psychosis wherein they believe, and are encouraged to believe by the llm that, they are the sole individuals who have cracked "prompting", and, in fact, by so doing, have summoned the singularity for their sole benefit and under their sole control. You sound exactly like them.
  - thrown-0825 1y ago
    You sound like the child of a psychotherapist.
    - sanderhnoj 1y ago
      [dead]
    - Seb-C 1y ago
      And having a better understanding of psychology is a good thing, isn't it?
  - sanderhnoj 1y ago
    Unsure if OP's friend, but this comment reminded me of this viral post: https://xcancel.com/GeoffLewisOrg/status/1945212979173097560 https://xcancel.com/GeoffLewisOrg/status/1945212979173097560 > A Prominent OpenAI Investor Appears to Be Suffering a ChatGPT-Related Mental Health Crisis, His Peers Say "I find it kind of disturbing even to watch it." From https://futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-health https://futurism.com/openai-investor-chatgpt-mental-health
- ath3nd 1y ago
  > LLM for a complex piece of software far beyond what you have time for, you see the benefits. Are LLMs the new Agile/Scrum? "Once you really learn Scrum, it will solve all world problems and clean your house? Your experience is totally different? Skill issue. Try again." I get your position and don't want to sound dismissive either, however I want to point out that in the only recent study actually trying to measure the productivity gains of LLMs it was observed that there is an actual 19% reduction of gains for experienced developers when using an LLM. https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-os-dev-study/ https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o... I asked an LLM to tell me why it "thinks" you observe an increase of productivity while studies show that for experienced developers it's a decrease, and it came up with the following "ideas": "LLMs Fill Gaps in Knowledge Instantly. Junior developers often face friction from: - Unfamiliar syntax - Unclear documentation - Uncertainty about best practices" Again, I don't want to sound dismissive, but have you considered that instead of people not seeing the gains you are talking about due to a skills issue with how to fine prompt LLMs, that it's you seeing gains you wouldn't otherwise had you been more skillful?
  - booleandilemma 1y ago
    This corroborates my observation that the people I've seen most excited about LLMs are management types who know how to code but not really. They love to talk about how productive LLMs make them. I think the alleged increased productivity is just in their heads.
    - ath3nd 1y ago
      There are always gonna be those business that claim that LLMs/Scrum/NFTs/Crypto/web3 is the next coming of Jesus, and that's normal, their survival depends on that. There are also gonna be developers swearing by XYZ, either because it genuinely worked for them (causation is not correlation) or because they don't want to appear clueless in an industry that's vibe based and tells you that if you don't succeed using shiny tool XYZ, you are doing it wrong. The same way it was modern in some companies to hire a dedicated Scrum master for a full time position within a team, I already can imagine companies having job openings for an "Expert LLM-prompter" (or, to make it sound more legit: "Staff LLM-prompt engineer"). Take it from the funny side: the companies obsessed about productivity and efficiency will most likely be staffed with 100s of scrum masters and 100s of prompt engineers and probably one or two guys that actually do the real work. That's kind of hilarious, you gotta admit. The emperor has had no clothes for quite some time already, but vibes do be vibing, that's the society we live in. Don't worry, you are not alone in finding the hype hard to bear. I don't think LLMs will become irrelevant as fast or as much like crypto/web3/nfts and Meta's metaverse did, but to me the amount of shouting and clothes tearing for what's essentially a fancy autocomplete (fight me on this) is just such a turn off.