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TBH, such a low price for so many working (!) features is an amazing achievement if not subsidized! What bothers me here, however, is...a provenance. Let me gue

by Arech 1y ago

TBH, such a low price for so many working (!) features is an amazing achievement if not subsidized! What bothers me here, however, is...a provenance. Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views and attitude towards CCP and then does some shady syncs with .cn servers "just to keep you data safe in case a meteor hits you"... Sad. ADDED: Oh, seems like some people like to pretend that the results of "some other" companies getting this information are totally, totally the same.

rvnx 1y ago
Sounds like any Samsung or Google watch
- Arech 1y ago
  Please don't pretend you don't understand that risks of Google/Apple maybe even Samsung getting the information is just "a tiny bit different".
  - ewidar 1y ago
    To non Americans, and given the current political climate imposed by the American government, no it's not very different.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - sfjailbird 1y ago
    Yes, it's worse. Seven eyes almost certainly snoop on me, in partnership with those companies. CCP might, but even if they did, idgaf.
    - rvnx 1y ago
      The thing is that in practice, if China knows my secret, they can't do much with it, first because I don't criticize China (I don't live there, I don't know there, why then ?), and the second, is that it is a rather isolated world. Unless you speak Chinese, they don't really care about you. So it's in some way "safer" (unless they resell the data to americans or israeli companies for 'advertising' purposes)
    - floren 1y ago
      Five Eyes. Seven Eyes is a band, SevenEves is a book by Neil Stephenson.
andrepd 1y ago
Implying all US electronics don't ask from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views and attitude towards the US and Israel and then does some shady syncs with .com servers "just to keep you data safe in case a meteor hits you"... x)
danielPort9 1y ago
Just like any other Apple Watch. Don’t see the difference between them and CCP (probably because I’m not American)
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  The difference between Apple and the CCP is that CCP is the one running the slave labor to make widgets, and Apple is the one paying for it and puts the sticker "Designed in California" to wash it off.
rikafurude21 1y ago
Why is it so hard for americans to accept that china makes great tech without coping about "le CCP spyware!" - it seems so absurd, like why would the CCP want to know the heart rate of the type of guy who buys a 16 pound smartwatch? Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches?
- sincerely 1y ago
  >Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches? Because labor is much more expensive in America. This is not a mystery
  - recursive 1y ago
    I don't think that's enough to explain it. What's the ratio of labor costs?
    - Palomides 1y ago
      $15/hour in the US vs $2/hour in China
      - recursive 1y ago
        That would put an upper bound of 120 pounds for the USA manufactured watch with zero materials cost and all labor.
  - monooso 1y ago
    But American companies make their smartwatches in China.
  - rikafurude21 1y ago
    Yeah, highly inflated e-mail job economy does that to you.
  - ericwood 1y ago
    Labor is a factor but it helps to have the insane manufacturing synergies they have where almost all of the parts are made down the road from you.
edent 1y ago
If you'd read my blog post, you'd see that it functions just fine without access to those permissions. You're also welcome to disassemble the APK to show where it is sending data to. But, as I say, it works just find with an Open Source alternative if you prefer that.
otabdeveloper4 1y ago
I'm not an American. I'd trust the CCP a million times more than Google or Apple.
- oezi 1y ago
  Trust with what? Why would you trust any government except your own to look out for you?
  - RobotToaster 1y ago
    Why would I trust my own government to look out for me?
  - otabdeveloper4 1y ago
    Trust with my personal data.
FpUser 1y ago
>"Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar..." Let me try to translate: I do not know fuck all about what it really asks but will let sinophobia and hypocrisy out in full colors regardless
neurostimulant 1y ago
This device seems to be supported by gadgetbridge (nightly), so that should at least take care of your privacy concern: https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/moyoung/ https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/moyoung/
RobotToaster 1y ago
> Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views Like every app made by a US corporation does? And before someone cries "whataboutism", I'm genuinely curious why as someone who isn't Chinese, and has no intention of visiting China, I should be more worried about the CPC than the CIA.

by Arech 1y ago

rvnx 1y ago

Sounds like any Samsung or Google watch

Arech 1y ago
Please don't pretend you don't understand that risks of Google/Apple maybe even Samsung getting the information is just "a tiny bit different".
- ewidar 1y ago
  To non Americans, and given the current political climate imposed by the American government, no it's not very different.
- deleted 1y ago
  [deleted]
- sfjailbird 1y ago
  Yes, it's worse. Seven eyes almost certainly snoop on me, in partnership with those companies. CCP might, but even if they did, idgaf.
  - rvnx 1y ago
    The thing is that in practice, if China knows my secret, they can't do much with it, first because I don't criticize China (I don't live there, I don't know there, why then ?), and the second, is that it is a rather isolated world. Unless you speak Chinese, they don't really care about you. So it's in some way "safer" (unless they resell the data to americans or israeli companies for 'advertising' purposes)
  - floren 1y ago
    Five Eyes. Seven Eyes is a band, SevenEves is a book by Neil Stephenson.

andrepd 1y ago

Implying all US electronics don't ask from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views and attitude towards the US and Israel and then does some shady syncs with .com servers "just to keep you data safe in case a meteor hits you"... x)

danielPort9 1y ago

Just like any other Apple Watch. Don’t see the difference between them and CCP (probably because I’m not American)

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
The difference between Apple and the CCP is that CCP is the one running the slave labor to make widgets, and Apple is the one paying for it and puts the sticker "Designed in California" to wash it off.

rikafurude21 1y ago

Why is it so hard for americans to accept that china makes great tech without coping about "le CCP spyware!" - it seems so absurd, like why would the CCP want to know the heart rate of the type of guy who buys a 16 pound smartwatch? Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches?

sincerely 1y ago
>Why dont americans create 16 pound smartwatches? Because labor is much more expensive in America. This is not a mystery
- recursive 1y ago
  I don't think that's enough to explain it. What's the ratio of labor costs?
  - Palomides 1y ago
    $15/hour in the US vs $2/hour in China
    - recursive 1y ago
      That would put an upper bound of 120 pounds for the USA manufactured watch with zero materials cost and all labor.
- monooso 1y ago
  But American companies make their smartwatches in China.
- rikafurude21 1y ago
  Yeah, highly inflated e-mail job economy does that to you.
- ericwood 1y ago
  Labor is a factor but it helps to have the insane manufacturing synergies they have where almost all of the parts are made down the road from you.

edent 1y ago

If you'd read my blog post, you'd see that it functions just fine without access to those permissions. You're also welcome to disassemble the APK to show where it is sending data to. But, as I say, it works just find with an Open Source alternative if you prefer that.

otabdeveloper4 1y ago

I'm not an American. I'd trust the CCP a million times more than Google or Apple.

oezi 1y ago
Trust with what? Why would you trust any government except your own to look out for you?
- RobotToaster 1y ago
  Why would I trust my own government to look out for me?
- otabdeveloper4 1y ago
  Trust with my personal data.

FpUser 1y ago

>"Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar..." Let me try to translate: I do not know fuck all about what it really asks but will let sinophobia and hypocrisy out in full colors regardless

neurostimulant 1y ago

This device seems to be supported by gadgetbridge (nightly), so that should at least take care of your privacy concern: https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/moyoung/ https://gadgetbridge.org/gadgets/wearables/moyoung/

RobotToaster 1y ago

> Let me guess, it asks from your smartphone access to your location, contacts, calendar, SMS archive, email, medical records and political views Like every app made by a US corporation does? And before someone cries "whataboutism", I'm genuinely curious why as someone who isn't Chinese, and has no intention of visiting China, I should be more worried about the CPC than the CIA.