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At this point, there are more AI coding agents announced every week than Javascript frameworks, but to be honest, I'm here for it.

wilg 1y ago
Think how many JavaScript frameworks can be vibe coded now!
- kylecordes 1y ago
  (This is an exaggeration:) Sure, you can have your LLM code with any JavaScript framework you want, as long as you don't mind it randomly dropping React code and React-isms in the middle of your app.
  - throwup238 1y ago
    It’s not a real JS framework without JSX support and Typescript types that generate page long errors.
- stavros 1y ago
  Why would we create a framework to make coding easier when nobody writes code by hand any more?
  - tayo42 1y ago
    Make one that's optimal for Ai somehow
    - irrationalfab 1y ago
      Like convex.dev
- fullstackwife 1y ago
  The concept of JS framework which allows you to rapidly develop an app has the same underlying vibe as coding agent
- irrationalfab 1y ago
  Ironically, LLMs might make it very hard for new frameworks to gain popularity since they are trained on the popular ones.
  - alwillis 1y ago
    If we're not there already, it's just a matter of time before LLMs will be able to read and understand a framework they haven't seen before and be able to use it anyway. LLMs are already trained on JavaScript at a deep level; as LLM reasoning and RAG techniques improve, there will be a time in the not-too-distant future when an LLM can be pointed to the website of a new framework and be able to use it.
  - yencabulator 1y ago
    There's actually a huge twist to this: JS people deprecate things so fast that most of the training data will be for a version that either warns about deprecations on every run, or has been fully removed from the API.
- touristtam 1y ago
  To be honest I am being positive and hopefully we'll see an explosion of AI agent that will help iron out all the bug in FOSS that is hosted on different source code hosting platform. Renovate on steroid. I would work on that if my daytime job wasn't my main and only source of revenue.
  - bloppe 1y ago
    Ask a FOSS maintainer and they will not be nearly as optimistic about AI reducing the amount of bugs. A lot of AI generated pull requests are broken or useless and the up wasting a lot of the maintainers' time
hollowturtle 1y ago
Think how much training has been done on such Javascript frameworks... no one stops wondering what the outcome would be. The only fact that when I ask to create an app, without any further detail about what to use, and it defaults on React, imo it's a total failure whatever the agent
jona777than 1y ago
This made me chuckle. Excellent comparison. I share your sentiment; it’s more exciting than distracting.
phist_mcgee 1y ago
The joke's tired now bro. It hasn't been true for a good 5-7 years now.

wilg 1y ago

Think how many JavaScript frameworks can be vibe coded now!

kylecordes 1y ago
(This is an exaggeration:) Sure, you can have your LLM code with any JavaScript framework you want, as long as you don't mind it randomly dropping React code and React-isms in the middle of your app.
- throwup238 1y ago
  It’s not a real JS framework without JSX support and Typescript types that generate page long errors.
stavros 1y ago
Why would we create a framework to make coding easier when nobody writes code by hand any more?
- tayo42 1y ago
  Make one that's optimal for Ai somehow
  - irrationalfab 1y ago
    Like convex.dev
fullstackwife 1y ago
The concept of JS framework which allows you to rapidly develop an app has the same underlying vibe as coding agent
irrationalfab 1y ago
Ironically, LLMs might make it very hard for new frameworks to gain popularity since they are trained on the popular ones.
- alwillis 1y ago
  If we're not there already, it's just a matter of time before LLMs will be able to read and understand a framework they haven't seen before and be able to use it anyway. LLMs are already trained on JavaScript at a deep level; as LLM reasoning and RAG techniques improve, there will be a time in the not-too-distant future when an LLM can be pointed to the website of a new framework and be able to use it.
- yencabulator 1y ago
  There's actually a huge twist to this: JS people deprecate things so fast that most of the training data will be for a version that either warns about deprecations on every run, or has been fully removed from the API.
touristtam 1y ago
To be honest I am being positive and hopefully we'll see an explosion of AI agent that will help iron out all the bug in FOSS that is hosted on different source code hosting platform. Renovate on steroid. I would work on that if my daytime job wasn't my main and only source of revenue.
- bloppe 1y ago
  Ask a FOSS maintainer and they will not be nearly as optimistic about AI reducing the amount of bugs. A lot of AI generated pull requests are broken or useless and the up wasting a lot of the maintainers' time

hollowturtle 1y ago

Think how much training has been done on such Javascript frameworks... no one stops wondering what the outcome would be. The only fact that when I ask to create an app, without any further detail about what to use, and it defaults on React, imo it's a total failure whatever the agent

jona777than 1y ago

This made me chuckle. Excellent comparison. I share your sentiment; it’s more exciting than distracting.

phist_mcgee 1y ago

The joke's tired now bro. It hasn't been true for a good 5-7 years now.