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I certainly support efforts to shape US society into one where people might want children. Universal healthcare, strong social safety nets, free education, etc.

by _qbxi 1y ago

I certainly support efforts to shape US society into one where people might want children. Universal healthcare, strong social safety nets, free education, etc. Not to mention one where land is used in a conscientious way to build community, with walkable spaces, public third spaces, and strong public transit.

immibis 1y ago
The politics are more like: ban abortion, ban birth control, and assign every woman to a man...
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- _qbxi 1y ago
  I'm pro-natalist and pro-freedom.
matheusmoreira 1y ago
> Universal healthcare, strong social safety nets, free education, etc. No such thing as free anything. Somebody's gotta work to pay for it. Those somebodies are the children and young healthy adults who are economically active. They are the ones who will pay the taxes which in turn fund services for everyone else. So it's impossible to create a welfare system in order to encourage families. People need to have children first so that they can be made to pay for it.
- supplied_demand 1y ago
  == So it's impossible to create a welfare system in order to encourage families. People need to have children first so that they can be made to pay for it.== This ignores some important facts. First, lots of immigrants already pay taxes and don’t receive government benefits. Second, we already run a continuous deficit. Third, we could choose to shift existing spending priorities to more pro-family spending. It would cost about 1/3 of our military budget to pay for universal pre-K 3/4. https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2022/6/2/total-cost-of-universal-pre-k https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2022/6/2/total-...
  - matheusmoreira 1y ago
    > immigrants already pay taxes Immigrants function as imported children in this context. People wouldn't have the children that would grow into economically active adults, so the country had to import those adults from some other country whose people did have children. > we already run a continuous deficit Which is unsustainable. > we could choose to shift existing spending priorities to more pro-family spending Absolutely. Protecting and promoting families as a national policy is the right solution in my opinion.
    - supplied_demand 1y ago
      == the country had to import those adults from some other country whose people did have children== Those people chose to come the US for the opportunity as they have throughout history, even when birth rates were high. == Protecting and promoting families as a national policy is the right solution in my opinion== So you agree that we don’t need to wait for more people to have kids to pay for the policy because we could just adjust our spending priorities. Glad we are on the same page.

by _qbxi 1y ago

immibis 1y ago

The politics are more like: ban abortion, ban birth control, and assign every woman to a man...

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_qbxi 1y ago
I'm pro-natalist and pro-freedom.

matheusmoreira 1y ago

> Universal healthcare, strong social safety nets, free education, etc. No such thing as free anything. Somebody's gotta work to pay for it. Those somebodies are the children and young healthy adults who are economically active. They are the ones who will pay the taxes which in turn fund services for everyone else. So it's impossible to create a welfare system in order to encourage families. People need to have children first so that they can be made to pay for it.

supplied_demand 1y ago
== So it's impossible to create a welfare system in order to encourage families. People need to have children first so that they can be made to pay for it.== This ignores some important facts. First, lots of immigrants already pay taxes and don’t receive government benefits. Second, we already run a continuous deficit. Third, we could choose to shift existing spending priorities to more pro-family spending. It would cost about 1/3 of our military budget to pay for universal pre-K 3/4. https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2022/6/2/total-cost-of-universal-pre-k https://budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/2022/6/2/total-...
- matheusmoreira 1y ago
  > immigrants already pay taxes Immigrants function as imported children in this context. People wouldn't have the children that would grow into economically active adults, so the country had to import those adults from some other country whose people did have children. > we already run a continuous deficit Which is unsustainable. > we could choose to shift existing spending priorities to more pro-family spending Absolutely. Protecting and promoting families as a national policy is the right solution in my opinion.
  - supplied_demand 1y ago
    == the country had to import those adults from some other country whose people did have children== Those people chose to come the US for the opportunity as they have throughout history, even when birth rates were high. == Protecting and promoting families as a national policy is the right solution in my opinion== So you agree that we don’t need to wait for more people to have kids to pay for the policy because we could just adjust our spending priorities. Glad we are on the same page.