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Do you perhaps have sources of those claims at hand?

by gljiva 1y ago

snypher 1y ago
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-1000-palestinians-in-the-west-bank-since-october-7-2023 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-10...
- tguvot 1y ago
  if you will read the article, you will see that it talks about IDF and settlers. PA in fact called in IDF to suppress hamas and pij in areas that PA tried to clear out but failed. Articles like this on purpose blur lines of what happening and meant to generate outrage. Once I traced back article that talked about 48 (or something) palestinians killed by settlers by going through listed sources in the article. when I got to original article (twice removed), I discovered that it talked about 47 killed by IDF and 1 killed in clashes between settlers and palestinians
  - istjohn 1y ago
    The PA is a puppet government of Israel. The last elections for PA leadership were in 2006. I don't think the distinction between settlers and the IDF is as salient to most outside observers as you think it is.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      so, when israel on pa requests going to mop up hamas, because otherwise it about to be overthrown, and IDF kills 999 hamas/pij/lions of whatever members, it's essentially "settler violence". do i get it right ? and about "puppet". the very funny part is that people that demand for PA to have controls over west bank/gaza as sovereign, don't realize that it physically unable to do so without Israeli support. And Israeli support makes local population regards PA as Israeli puppet. The was major reason for Israel refusing to get into 2007 gaza purge of PA
      - istjohn 1y ago
        I would put it this way: in my eyes, the violent subjugation of Palestinians is brutal colonialism whether conducted by loosely organized vigilantes or officially state-sanctioned actors. Of course the PA could not maintain power without Israeli support. They don't represent Palestinian interests.
        tguvot 1y ago
        and who represents palestinian interests those days ?
        istjohn 1y ago
        If Israel allowed elections, I could answer you, and Israel would have a negotiating partner. But I don't think Israel has any interest in negotiating.
        tguvot 1y ago
        PA is the one that postpones elections, as polls over the years show Hamas winning. Just like in elections that happened in 2005 that USA pushed for Has nothing to do with Israel. PS. canada just said that will recognize palestine if it will hold elections (without hamas)
        AlecSchueler 1y ago
        The fact that countries halfway around the world are using basic recognition as a coercive tool to shape their democratic expression is exactly why Hamas has any following.
        tguvot 1y ago
        "we would like you to have democratic elections but we would like you to remove highest polling party from democratic process". to be honest, reasons for hamas having following are many, and I doubt that this is the major one

Do you perhaps have sources of those claims at hand?

by gljiva 1y ago

Do you perhaps have sources of those claims at hand?

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-1000-palestinians-in-the-west-bank-since-october-7-2023 https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/7/1/israel-has-killed-10...

tguvot 1y ago
if you will read the article, you will see that it talks about IDF and settlers. PA in fact called in IDF to suppress hamas and pij in areas that PA tried to clear out but failed. Articles like this on purpose blur lines of what happening and meant to generate outrage. Once I traced back article that talked about 48 (or something) palestinians killed by settlers by going through listed sources in the article. when I got to original article (twice removed), I discovered that it talked about 47 killed by IDF and 1 killed in clashes between settlers and palestinians
- istjohn 1y ago
  The PA is a puppet government of Israel. The last elections for PA leadership were in 2006. I don't think the distinction between settlers and the IDF is as salient to most outside observers as you think it is.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    so, when israel on pa requests going to mop up hamas, because otherwise it about to be overthrown, and IDF kills 999 hamas/pij/lions of whatever members, it's essentially "settler violence". do i get it right ? and about "puppet". the very funny part is that people that demand for PA to have controls over west bank/gaza as sovereign, don't realize that it physically unable to do so without Israeli support. And Israeli support makes local population regards PA as Israeli puppet. The was major reason for Israel refusing to get into 2007 gaza purge of PA
    - istjohn 1y ago
      I would put it this way: in my eyes, the violent subjugation of Palestinians is brutal colonialism whether conducted by loosely organized vigilantes or officially state-sanctioned actors. Of course the PA could not maintain power without Israeli support. They don't represent Palestinian interests.
      - tguvot 1y ago
        and who represents palestinian interests those days ?
        istjohn 1y ago
        If Israel allowed elections, I could answer you, and Israel would have a negotiating partner. But I don't think Israel has any interest in negotiating.
        tguvot 1y ago
        PA is the one that postpones elections, as polls over the years show Hamas winning. Just like in elections that happened in 2005 that USA pushed for Has nothing to do with Israel. PS. canada just said that will recognize palestine if it will hold elections (without hamas)
        AlecSchueler 1y ago
        The fact that countries halfway around the world are using basic recognition as a coercive tool to shape their democratic expression is exactly why Hamas has any following.
        tguvot 1y ago
        "we would like you to have democratic elections but we would like you to remove highest polling party from democratic process". to be honest, reasons for hamas having following are many, and I doubt that this is the major one