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This stuff is naive. There's a bunch of people who want a large income (wealth) disparity, and they will fight to preserve it unless you give them an equivalent

This stuff is naive. There's a bunch of people who want a large income (wealth) disparity, and they will fight to preserve it unless you give them an equivalent station in the 'new world'. But you will still need to sustain ex-workers if they can't get normal jobs, and those same people at the top will not tolerate the taxes required to sustain a basic level of living for much wider population. They already can't tolerate the idea of a much smaller population using food assistance or healthcare from the government. That leads me to think this is not really a visionary statement, but just a signal that Mark isn't intentionally trying to bring about a new dystopia, and here's his proof. And if a dystopia happens to come about, you can't blame him because he had pure intentions; clearly it was everyone else who just didn't agree with him and it's their fault. Maybe make Meta a not-for-profit and there might be some credibility here.

lvl155 1y ago
Last time I commented on Zuck on HN I got a warning. That said, this stuff confirms for the 100th time that he is out of touch with reality. Perhaps that’s why he wanted to make VR work so badly. I think he might try to change Co’s name again since Meta doesn’t fit the bill anymore. How about they buy Intel and reverse merge just for the name?
- benterix 1y ago
  > he might try to change Co’s name again since Meta doesn’t fit the bill anymore. If so, the logical choice would be to change the name from "Meta" to "AGI".
  - lvl155 1y ago
    I was thinking they buy Intel and say “we are going to make Intel super. SuperIntel.” Zuck seems to like the term superintelligence over AGI.
    - whamlastxmas 1y ago
      They’re two separate concepts
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- Mars008 1y ago
  He needs to keep investors optimistic about Meta. Moonshot projects, fairy tales work if there is nothing else. Musk uses them too when promotes Tesla.
  - bamboozled 1y ago
    I've only read about his remarks and it already feels like his taking a leaf from the Elon Musk keep investors hyped playbook.
- ta12653421 1y ago
  this would be then "Mintel" :-D
FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>There's a bunch of people who want a large income (wealth) disparity Apart form you of course, so I'm sure you'd be ok if the government would tax your higher than average tech wage till your take home pay would match that of a train conductor's or bus driver's, like in Western Europe, and therefore fix the wage gap you hate so much. Would you like that solution? Caption this: It's only a problem when the people who earn more than me are greedy, but my greed is fine, it's OK for me to out-earn others because "I've earned it", not like Zuckerberg, he didn't earn it.
- DanHulton 1y ago
  Unless you are yourself a robber baron the likes of Zuck, you should look up this little concept called "class solidarity."
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here of people seeing greed only in those with more income than them but never in themselves when they accept those generous big-tech, big-finance, big-ad-tech, big-4, big-pharma compensation packages from the evil robber barons they claim to hate. If you hate them so much why are you taking their blood money? Also, there is no class solidarity the way you imagine it in your fantasy, because to the average person on the street putting the fries in the bag ac McD, or stacking shelves at Walmart, or tearing down the roads with a jackhammer in the summer heat, the big-tech worker is closer to the robber baron Zuckerberg, than they are to them. So when you get laid off from your big-tech job, they won't have solidarity for you, they might even break a smile, as those spoiled pampered tech worker are brought down from their Kombucha sipping ivory towers. Class solidarity, as seen applied in Europe, means bringing the income of tech workers in line with unskilled labor till everyone is equally lower-middle class, not touching the super wealthy robber barons to contribute more to society, because no society does that, that's just fantasy. Look at the owner of IKEA's complex tax avoidance scheme: https://www.greens-efa.eu/legacy/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Studies/Taxation/Report_IKEA_tax_avoidance_Feb2016.pdf https://www.greens-efa.eu/legacy/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Stu... Do you think he has any class solidarity? He has more in common with Musk, Zuckerberg or XiJinping than with his average Swedish countrymen. The more class solidarity you wish and vote for, the higher the tax burdens will be on skilled and ambitious middle class workers and small businesses, not on Zuckerberg or the elites with inherited wealth. So be careful what you wish for. My country already went through communism once and everyone had enough of "class solidarity" for the next lifetime, but there's always some westerners out there who cling on that "this time it will be different". Sure buddy.
deepfriedchokes 1y ago
I think perhaps it would be useful to completely ignore the nice words people use and just judge everyone based on their behavior. From Zuckerberg’s behavior, since the beginning, it’s clear what he wants is power, and if you have the kind of mental health disorder where you believe you know better than everyone and deserve power over others, then that’s not dystopian at all. Everything he says is PR virtue signaling. Judge the man on his actions.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
  > completely ignore the nice words people use Kind of an unrelated topic but I'm reminded of a video essay in which the creator talks about this. They put it very kindly, IMO: > Rich and powerful people have quite a different attitude and approach to truth and lies and games compared to ordinary people. Which sounds like a really nice way of saying that rich and powerful people are dishonest by ordinary standards. https://youtu.be/m6lObdE3s10?t=245 https://youtu.be/m6lObdE3s10?t=245
ProofHouse 1y ago
Mark has never had pure intentions born out and proven by 2 decades of decisions. Mark is NOT who we want shepherding in Superintelligence.

lvl155 1y ago

Last time I commented on Zuck on HN I got a warning. That said, this stuff confirms for the 100th time that he is out of touch with reality. Perhaps that’s why he wanted to make VR work so badly. I think he might try to change Co’s name again since Meta doesn’t fit the bill anymore. How about they buy Intel and reverse merge just for the name?

benterix 1y ago
> he might try to change Co’s name again since Meta doesn’t fit the bill anymore. If so, the logical choice would be to change the name from "Meta" to "AGI".
- lvl155 1y ago
  I was thinking they buy Intel and say “we are going to make Intel super. SuperIntel.” Zuck seems to like the term superintelligence over AGI.
  - whamlastxmas 1y ago
    They’re two separate concepts
    - deleted 1y ago
      [deleted]
Mars008 1y ago
He needs to keep investors optimistic about Meta. Moonshot projects, fairy tales work if there is nothing else. Musk uses them too when promotes Tesla.
- bamboozled 1y ago
  I've only read about his remarks and it already feels like his taking a leaf from the Elon Musk keep investors hyped playbook.
ta12653421 1y ago
this would be then "Mintel" :-D

FirmwareBurner 1y ago

>There's a bunch of people who want a large income (wealth) disparity Apart form you of course, so I'm sure you'd be ok if the government would tax your higher than average tech wage till your take home pay would match that of a train conductor's or bus driver's, like in Western Europe, and therefore fix the wage gap you hate so much. Would you like that solution? Caption this: It's only a problem when the people who earn more than me are greedy, but my greed is fine, it's OK for me to out-earn others because "I've earned it", not like Zuckerberg, he didn't earn it.

DanHulton 1y ago
Unless you are yourself a robber baron the likes of Zuck, you should look up this little concept called "class solidarity."
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy here of people seeing greed only in those with more income than them but never in themselves when they accept those generous big-tech, big-finance, big-ad-tech, big-4, big-pharma compensation packages from the evil robber barons they claim to hate. If you hate them so much why are you taking their blood money? Also, there is no class solidarity the way you imagine it in your fantasy, because to the average person on the street putting the fries in the bag ac McD, or stacking shelves at Walmart, or tearing down the roads with a jackhammer in the summer heat, the big-tech worker is closer to the robber baron Zuckerberg, than they are to them. So when you get laid off from your big-tech job, they won't have solidarity for you, they might even break a smile, as those spoiled pampered tech worker are brought down from their Kombucha sipping ivory towers. Class solidarity, as seen applied in Europe, means bringing the income of tech workers in line with unskilled labor till everyone is equally lower-middle class, not touching the super wealthy robber barons to contribute more to society, because no society does that, that's just fantasy. Look at the owner of IKEA's complex tax avoidance scheme: https://www.greens-efa.eu/legacy/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Studies/Taxation/Report_IKEA_tax_avoidance_Feb2016.pdf https://www.greens-efa.eu/legacy/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Stu... Do you think he has any class solidarity? He has more in common with Musk, Zuckerberg or XiJinping than with his average Swedish countrymen. The more class solidarity you wish and vote for, the higher the tax burdens will be on skilled and ambitious middle class workers and small businesses, not on Zuckerberg or the elites with inherited wealth. So be careful what you wish for. My country already went through communism once and everyone had enough of "class solidarity" for the next lifetime, but there's always some westerners out there who cling on that "this time it will be different". Sure buddy.

deepfriedchokes 1y ago

I think perhaps it would be useful to completely ignore the nice words people use and just judge everyone based on their behavior. From Zuckerberg’s behavior, since the beginning, it’s clear what he wants is power, and if you have the kind of mental health disorder where you believe you know better than everyone and deserve power over others, then that’s not dystopian at all. Everything he says is PR virtue signaling. Judge the man on his actions.

lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
> completely ignore the nice words people use Kind of an unrelated topic but I'm reminded of a video essay in which the creator talks about this. They put it very kindly, IMO: > Rich and powerful people have quite a different attitude and approach to truth and lies and games compared to ordinary people. Which sounds like a really nice way of saying that rich and powerful people are dishonest by ordinary standards. https://youtu.be/m6lObdE3s10?t=245 https://youtu.be/m6lObdE3s10?t=245

ProofHouse 1y ago

Mark has never had pure intentions born out and proven by 2 decades of decisions. Mark is NOT who we want shepherding in Superintelligence.