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Stanford’s Department of Management Science and Engineering
- coupdejarnac 1y agoI've taken a few graduate courses at Stanford MS&E through their non degree program, and I give the experience three thumbs up.
- curioustock 1y agoYes some people actually go NDO->part-time-> full-time. It's rare but possible.
- TexanFeller 1y ago> Management Science It’s jarring and galling to see management and science put together in a way that’s suggestive of management being a science. It reeks of stolen valor. Obligatory Feynman on “sciences”: https://youtu.be/tWr39Q9vBgo?si=SYTZSNA0G-RZDguA https://youtu.be/tWr39Q9vBgo?si=SYTZSNA0G-RZDguA
- cschmidt 1y agoI think in this context Management Science is an older term that was synonymous with operations research. The flagship journal of Informs (the institute for operations research and management science) has the same name. Studying how to optimize thing, lots of statistics and math. Stanford was at the forefront of the field from George Danzig onwards. So not trying to make management a “science” in this case.
- cschmidt 1y agoI’m not sure about this masters program, but the undergrad program seems to be proper ORMS.
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- MADEinPARIS 1y agoI met a guy who raised $250MM, and dropped out of the program. Spoiled.
- fernirello 1y agoHas anyone seen publicly accessible content from the startup-ish MS&E courses? I think Coursera had a MOOCified version of “Startup engineering”, but that was over a decade ago and it didn’t last long anyway. It was great back then.
- lisper 1y agoThis particular clickbait title formula -- The X No One Has Heard About -- drives me nuts because it is so manifestly self-defeating. Obviously someone has heard about it. At the very least, the author of the piece has heard about it, and now all of their readers have heard about it too.
- cadamsdotcom 1y agoAh, the classic “no one goes there anymore, it’s too crowded” :) HN titles generally shouldn’t be clickbait.. what would you suggest instead?
- lisper 1y agoIn this case I would have gone with something like: Management Science & Engineering (MS&E): Stanford’s interdisciplinary hub
- taude 1y agoha, no one would have clicked on that title. Needs some cta and pep in it. But Claude gives me: "Stanford's 230-Student Program That Produces More Unicorn Founders Than Most Schools" "Why Stanford Engineers Are Choosing MS&E Over CS: A Technical MBA That Actually Works" "Stanford's MS&E: The 7.8% Acceptance Rate Program Behind Instagram, Gusto, and Sourcegraph "How Stanford's MS&E Became Y Combinator's Secret Feeder Program" "
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- dylan604 1y agoYou could have gone with something a bit catchier, "The Stanford Program that few people know about" which would have the same sentiment and would definitely get more clicks than your suggestion.
- lisper 1y ago
- apparent 1y agoOf the famous founders, over half were Stanford undergrads and therefore likely were "coterm" students. That means they just added a year to their degree and got this degree tacked on. That saves lots of time and money compared to going to Stanford as a master's student. There are a lot of things that are "worth it" if you don't have to move apartments/cities and get it for half the price — but which are not nearly as worth it if you're paying double and add the friction of moving to the area in order to enroll.
- m-ee 1y agoI’m not sure how it factors into the overall admission statistics but getting accepted for a coterm is, or at least was, significantly easier and more straightforward. In my time it just meant a GPA above a certain cutoff, a letter of rec from a professor, and non embarrassing GRE scores. A very good letter of recommendation could make up for deficiencies in the other two. It’s not exactly a super selective elite club like the article implies if you’re already there for undergrad.
- TMWNN 1y agoCan Stanford undergrads coterm in MS&E with any undergraduate major?
- m-ee 1y agoYes, I knew people who cotermed in MS&E (and other masters programs) with a different undergrad major. I think you just need to make sure you fulfill whatever prereq courses they ask for but my knowledge is old at this point. I imagine you’d be fine going from any engineering major to MS&E, but if you were an English major who happened to take a bunch of math and physics that would probably work too.
- constantcrying 1y agoMaybe it is because I am not from the US and from a country with a very different work culture, but this whole thing seems ridiculously narcissistic. A person with such a degree becoming my coworker or my boss seems like a nightmare. Even talking to someone who "made it through" such a degree is something I would rather avoid.
- kj4211cash 1y agoIt's not as bad as the article makes it sound. It is an operations research program with some startup-y courses tacked on. The post is just LinkedIn style cringe mixed with the hubris of Stanford alumni. The authors seem narcissistic but most graduates of the program are great.
- mocmoc 1y agothis industry is rotten
- lenerdenator 1y agoThings rot from the head down, and Stanford arguably counts as the head.
- mathattack 1y agoI've met several of these students. It's like an MBA, but less social networking and more math. (And can be done co-term or in a year) So does it add some value to someone who is already getting a bachelors in EE, CS or similar? Sure. Would I put a history major with an MS&E degree in charge of anything significant? Probably not. I suspect that the admissions rate of 7% is independent of coterms.