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Use ungoogled-chromium (or Firefox).

godelski 1y ago
> or Firefox Or just use Firefox because even using chromium is empowering Google to keep playing these games. Maybe you have a problem with Firefox (most people won't notice the difference) but is that problem worse that the problem you have with Google?
- dwedge 1y ago
  What if my problem is that it's funded by Google to the tune of a billion a year and spent a large part of the last two years trying to reposition itself as an ad company?
  - bornfreddy 1y ago
    Sure, but let's keep things in perspective... "it's funded by Google" is still a lesser evil than "it is Google".
    - dwedge 1y ago
      That's true, but pretending to be the good guy underdog while really being Google's voice rubs me the wrong way
  - godelski 1y ago
    So when options are 1) Google, an ad company 2) Firefox, a company who Google gives money to Your choice is #1, because #2 is funded by #1? I'm honestly having a difficult time following this logic
    - dwedge 1y ago
      2. Should be "Firefox, an ad company sponsored by Google to keep anti-monopoly at bay" My choice at that point comes down to which is the better browser rather than some moral support for one company over the other. It also rubs me the wrong way that Mozilla is pretending to be the good guy underdog. In an ideal world, and hopefully soon, there would be a real third choice but for now they're the same picture.
      - godelski 1y ago
        Firefox is an ad company? Okay, let's go with that premise, I'll rephrase. So when options are 1) Google, a $2.3T ad company 2) Firefox, an ad company that Google pays $300m/yr for Google to be the default search engine 3) Safari, a $3T ad company that Google pays $20bn/yr for Google to be the default search engine 4) Opera, an ad company that Google pays ??/yr for Google to be the default search engine AND is Chromium based 5) <other> browser, an ad company that Google pays ??/yr for Google to be the default search engine (and is likely Chromium based) Your choice is #1, because #2 is funded by #1? I am still failing to see the logic here. If anything, I'm more confused. What do you use? Ladybird? What about before that? Seriously, I'm so fucking lost here.
- motorest 1y ago
  > Or just use Firefox because even using chromium is empowering Google to keep playing these games. This. People like to complain about problems, but I wonder why they don't invest half that energy in actually fixing the problems. > Maybe you have a problem with Firefox (...) I've started to notice there is a very vocal opposition of Firefox whose common trait is that they actually do not or cannot present any tangible argument against Firefox. They just shit talk about Firefox, and hand-wave their criticism with inane comments like "they lost the boat". Sometimes I wonder where that absurdity comes from.
  - figmert 1y ago
    > they actually do not or cannot present any tangible argument against Firefox. They just shit talk about Firefox, and hand-wave their criticism with inane comments like "they lost the boat". Have you seen that Mozilla has basically become an ad agency?
    - darkwater 1y ago
      So, like Google, the makers of Chrome?
    - motorest 1y ago
      > Have you seen that Mozilla has basically become an ad agency? Even taking these comments at face value, this blend of arguments is pretty stupid given that you're making this sort of claims about Firefox when discussing not using Chrome.
      - figmert 1y ago
        To be clear, I do use Firefox and haven't even installed Chrome/Chromium for a long time. But given that Mozilla is inching closer and closer towards ad agency, it's only a matter of time that Firefox will open up the same issues that Chrome has. The argument of Firefox vs Chrome is not siloed and inherently includes the argument of what their respective developers do and don't do. If we didn't need to include them in the face of such an argument, there would be little reason to switch away Chrome.
smsm42 1y ago
I use Brave and never seen those popups. Only read about them. I didn't configure anything special, as far as I remember.

> or Firefox Or just use Firefox because even using chromium is empowering Google to keep playing these games. Maybe you have a problem with Firefox (most people won't notice the difference) but is that problem worse that the problem you have with Google?

dwedge 1y ago
What if my problem is that it's funded by Google to the tune of a billion a year and spent a large part of the last two years trying to reposition itself as an ad company?
- bornfreddy 1y ago
  Sure, but let's keep things in perspective... "it's funded by Google" is still a lesser evil than "it is Google".
  - dwedge 1y ago
    That's true, but pretending to be the good guy underdog while really being Google's voice rubs me the wrong way
- godelski 1y ago
  So when options are 1) Google, an ad company 2) Firefox, a company who Google gives money to Your choice is #1, because #2 is funded by #1? I'm honestly having a difficult time following this logic
  - dwedge 1y ago
    2. Should be "Firefox, an ad company sponsored by Google to keep anti-monopoly at bay" My choice at that point comes down to which is the better browser rather than some moral support for one company over the other. It also rubs me the wrong way that Mozilla is pretending to be the good guy underdog. In an ideal world, and hopefully soon, there would be a real third choice but for now they're the same picture.
    - godelski 1y ago
      Firefox is an ad company? Okay, let's go with that premise, I'll rephrase. So when options are 1) Google, a $2.3T ad company 2) Firefox, an ad company that Google pays $300m/yr for Google to be the default search engine 3) Safari, a $3T ad company that Google pays $20bn/yr for Google to be the default search engine 4) Opera, an ad company that Google pays ??/yr for Google to be the default search engine AND is Chromium based 5) <other> browser, an ad company that Google pays ??/yr for Google to be the default search engine (and is likely Chromium based) Your choice is #1, because #2 is funded by #1? I am still failing to see the logic here. If anything, I'm more confused. What do you use? Ladybird? What about before that? Seriously, I'm so fucking lost here.
motorest 1y ago
> Or just use Firefox because even using chromium is empowering Google to keep playing these games. This. People like to complain about problems, but I wonder why they don't invest half that energy in actually fixing the problems. > Maybe you have a problem with Firefox (...) I've started to notice there is a very vocal opposition of Firefox whose common trait is that they actually do not or cannot present any tangible argument against Firefox. They just shit talk about Firefox, and hand-wave their criticism with inane comments like "they lost the boat". Sometimes I wonder where that absurdity comes from.
- figmert 1y ago
  > they actually do not or cannot present any tangible argument against Firefox. They just shit talk about Firefox, and hand-wave their criticism with inane comments like "they lost the boat". Have you seen that Mozilla has basically become an ad agency?
  - darkwater 1y ago
    So, like Google, the makers of Chrome?
  - motorest 1y ago
    > Have you seen that Mozilla has basically become an ad agency? Even taking these comments at face value, this blend of arguments is pretty stupid given that you're making this sort of claims about Firefox when discussing not using Chrome.
    - figmert 1y ago
      To be clear, I do use Firefox and haven't even installed Chrome/Chromium for a long time. But given that Mozilla is inching closer and closer towards ad agency, it's only a matter of time that Firefox will open up the same issues that Chrome has. The argument of Firefox vs Chrome is not siloed and inherently includes the argument of what their respective developers do and don't do. If we didn't need to include them in the face of such an argument, there would be little reason to switch away Chrome.

smsm42 1y ago

I use Brave and never seen those popups. Only read about them. I didn't configure anything special, as far as I remember.