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Nigel Farage's entire career was built on Euroskepticism and you claim in 2025 he would vote REMAIN — what are you talking about??

gambiting 1y ago
>>you claim in 2025 he would vote REMAIN Are you sure you replied to the right comment? Where have they claimed that?
- graublau 1y ago
  >People would vote the same way now my original comment
  - ben_w 1y ago
    "People" is a collective, "Farage" is one person. For people collectively to change their behaviour does not require 100% of the individuals to also change their behaviour. Not even when the singular person is also calling the thing a failure.
ben_w 1y ago
The original opinion poll in the other comment seemed quite clear: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-... Here's some Farage quotes, so you can see that there is no contradiction between the comment you were replying to (him saying it was a disaster is compatible with all this) and him still being a leaver: “I don’t think that for a moment,” Mr Farage replied when he was asked if the UK would have been better off staying in the EU, the world’s largest single market area. “But what I do think is we haven’t actually benefitted from Brexit economically, what we could have done.” “I mean, what Brexit’s proved, I’m afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in Brussels were,” he added. “We’ve mismanaged this totally, and if you look at simple things…such as takeovers, such as corporation tax, we are driving business away from our country. “Arguably, now we’re back in control, we’re regulating our own businesses even more than they were as EU members. Brexit has failed.” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-bbc-newsnight-brexit-failed-b2339654.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-...
- bjoli 1y ago
  Why do people vote for populists that inevitably will just do the bidding of the rich and powerful? That man is such a disgustingly clear example. The same thing is true in Sweden. People vote for the party that blames the immigrants and then goes on to rule with the liberal conservative part. They all know that during the time they claim is the downfall of Sweden, we have more than one third of state tax income and had the worst privatisation of schools worldwide, . Yet the problems with schools and healthcare is immigration. Demagogues are what they are.
  - wredcoll 1y ago
    Because they provide simple appealing answers that rarely ask for much effort on behalf of the consumer.
  - kristianc 1y ago
    People don’t vote for populists by accident, votes for populists are a symptom of elite failure to build a society that works for everyone while writing their columns, appearing on their panels, or staffing their NGOs. There's a whole class of politicians in Britain who treats politics as a posture, not a practice - and believes people are too stupid to see through it.
    - ben_w 1y ago
      > There's a whole class of politicians in Britain who treats politics as a posture, not a practice - and believes people are too stupid to see through it. IMO, many of the UK politicians themselves don't realise how out of touch they are, both with the people and with the systematic reality of the world in which they exist. (Thinking back to David Davis on Brexit, saying they had a good idea what Czechoslovakia wanted from negotiations, despite it having ceased to exist in 1992).
      - kristianc 1y ago
        I don’t see any change coming until politicians stop seeing public opinion as something to be managed and placated. The lesson taken from Truss seems to have been broadly to never try anything bold again to fix the economy.

gambiting 1y ago

>>you claim in 2025 he would vote REMAIN Are you sure you replied to the right comment? Where have they claimed that?

graublau 1y ago
>People would vote the same way now my original comment
- ben_w 1y ago
  "People" is a collective, "Farage" is one person. For people collectively to change their behaviour does not require 100% of the individuals to also change their behaviour. Not even when the singular person is also calling the thing a failure.

ben_w 1y ago

The original opinion poll in the other comment seemed quite clear: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-feel-about-brexit-five-years-on https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/51484-how-do-britons-... Here's some Farage quotes, so you can see that there is no contradiction between the comment you were replying to (him saying it was a disaster is compatible with all this) and him still being a leaver: “I don’t think that for a moment,” Mr Farage replied when he was asked if the UK would have been better off staying in the EU, the world’s largest single market area. “But what I do think is we haven’t actually benefitted from Brexit economically, what we could have done.” “I mean, what Brexit’s proved, I’m afraid, is that our politicians are about as useless as the commissioners in Brussels were,” he added. “We’ve mismanaged this totally, and if you look at simple things…such as takeovers, such as corporation tax, we are driving business away from our country. “Arguably, now we’re back in control, we’re regulating our own businesses even more than they were as EU members. Brexit has failed.” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-bbc-newsnight-brexit-failed-b2339654.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-...

bjoli 1y ago
Why do people vote for populists that inevitably will just do the bidding of the rich and powerful? That man is such a disgustingly clear example. The same thing is true in Sweden. People vote for the party that blames the immigrants and then goes on to rule with the liberal conservative part. They all know that during the time they claim is the downfall of Sweden, we have more than one third of state tax income and had the worst privatisation of schools worldwide, . Yet the problems with schools and healthcare is immigration. Demagogues are what they are.
- wredcoll 1y ago
  Because they provide simple appealing answers that rarely ask for much effort on behalf of the consumer.
- kristianc 1y ago
  People don’t vote for populists by accident, votes for populists are a symptom of elite failure to build a society that works for everyone while writing their columns, appearing on their panels, or staffing their NGOs. There's a whole class of politicians in Britain who treats politics as a posture, not a practice - and believes people are too stupid to see through it.
  - ben_w 1y ago
    > There's a whole class of politicians in Britain who treats politics as a posture, not a practice - and believes people are too stupid to see through it. IMO, many of the UK politicians themselves don't realise how out of touch they are, both with the people and with the systematic reality of the world in which they exist. (Thinking back to David Davis on Brexit, saying they had a good idea what Czechoslovakia wanted from negotiations, despite it having ceased to exist in 1992).
    - kristianc 1y ago
      I don’t see any change coming until politicians stop seeing public opinion as something to be managed and placated. The lesson taken from Truss seems to have been broadly to never try anything bold again to fix the economy.