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I do not want to be rude but this is exactly why LLVM being in hands of same entity which controls access to / owns platform is insane. edit - #64 E ! Also, i

I do not want to be rude but this is exactly why LLVM being in hands of same entity which controls access to / owns platform is insane. edit - #64 E ! Also, i always say, human body is most error prone measuring device humans have in their disposal.

IgnaciusMonk 1y ago
Also to be more controversial. - redhat deprecated x86_64_v1 & x86_64v2 . and people were crying because of that....
- volf_ 1y ago
  A commercial enterprise is dropping support for older cpu architectures in their newer OSs so they can improve the average performance of the deployed software? Don't see how that's controversial. It's something that doesn't matter to their customers or their business.
- bayindirh 1y ago
  The newest x86_64-v1 server is older than a decade now, and I'm not sure -v2 is deprecated. RockyLinux 9 is running happily on -v2 hardware downstairs. Oh, -v2 is deprecated for RH10. Not a big deal, honestly. From a fleet perspective, I prefer more code uses more advanced instructions on my processors. Efficiency goes up on hot code paths possibly. What's not to love?
  - scns 1y ago
    The newest x86_64-v1 server is older than a decade now Did you mean v3?
    - bayindirh 1y ago
      No, v1. I mean, you can't buy a x86_64-v1 server for a decade now, and if you have one and it's alive, it's a very slim chance it's working unless it's new old stock. If it has seen any decent amount of workload during its lifetime, it possibly has a couple of ICs which reached their end of their electronic life and malfunctioning.
  - homebrewer 1y ago
    One more reason to switch to a better alternative: https://lwn.net/Articles/1010868/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1010868/ https://almalinux.org/blog/2025-05-27-welcoming-almalinux-10/ https://almalinux.org/blog/2025-05-27-welcoming-almalinux-10... tl;dr: AlmaLinux will support v2 in EL10 as a separate rebuild in the near future.
    - jonathanspw 1y ago
      We already support it - the build is live. https://repo.almalinux.org/almalinux/10/isos/x86_64_v2/ https://repo.almalinux.org/almalinux/10/isos/x86_64_v2/ We even do a full EPEL rebuild for it as well.
    - bayindirh 1y ago
      In our case OS selection is done on a case by case basis, and we don't take sides. In our case depreciation of V2 has no practical implications, either. This is also same on the personal level. I use the OS which is most suitable for the task at hand, and the root OS (Debian / RedHat / etc.) doesn't matter. I'm comfortable with all of them the same.
  - IgnaciusMonk 1y ago
    Rocky linux is in cahoots with Oracle, do not supporting that with anything, not even with words. Go Alma linux if you need Red Hat but with different name but for love of anything good in this world, boycott everyone friendly with Ellison.
    - bayindirh 1y ago
      Interesting. Source?
- anthk 1y ago
  Gemini Lake runs pretty well. If that happens, bye Fedora Bazzite with Linux-Libre on top.
gleenn 1y ago
Can you be more explicit? Is it because they are optimizing too much to a single platform that isn't generalizable to other compilers or architectures? What's your specific gripe?
almostgotcaught 1y ago
Whose hands exactly is LLVM in?
bayindirh 1y ago
Both LLVM and GCC is being supported by processor manufacturers directly. Yes, Apple and Intel has their own LLVM versions, but as long as don't break compatibility with GCC and doesn't prevent porting explicitly, I don't see a problem. I personally use GCC suite exclusively though, and while LLVM is not my favorite compiler, we can thank them for spurring GCC team into action for improving their game.
- dazzawazza 1y ago
  > ... and while LLVM is not my favorite compiler, we can thank them for spurring GCC team into action for improving their game. Exactly. I think people have forgotten just how poor GCC was 15 years ago. Both teams are doing excellent work. Even M$ has been upping it's game with it's compiler!

IgnaciusMonk 1y ago

Also to be more controversial. - redhat deprecated x86_64_v1 & x86_64v2 . and people were crying because of that....

volf_ 1y ago
A commercial enterprise is dropping support for older cpu architectures in their newer OSs so they can improve the average performance of the deployed software? Don't see how that's controversial. It's something that doesn't matter to their customers or their business.
bayindirh 1y ago
The newest x86_64-v1 server is older than a decade now, and I'm not sure -v2 is deprecated. RockyLinux 9 is running happily on -v2 hardware downstairs. Oh, -v2 is deprecated for RH10. Not a big deal, honestly. From a fleet perspective, I prefer more code uses more advanced instructions on my processors. Efficiency goes up on hot code paths possibly. What's not to love?
- scns 1y ago
  The newest x86_64-v1 server is older than a decade now Did you mean v3?
  - bayindirh 1y ago
    No, v1. I mean, you can't buy a x86_64-v1 server for a decade now, and if you have one and it's alive, it's a very slim chance it's working unless it's new old stock. If it has seen any decent amount of workload during its lifetime, it possibly has a couple of ICs which reached their end of their electronic life and malfunctioning.
- homebrewer 1y ago
  One more reason to switch to a better alternative: https://lwn.net/Articles/1010868/ https://lwn.net/Articles/1010868/ https://almalinux.org/blog/2025-05-27-welcoming-almalinux-10/ https://almalinux.org/blog/2025-05-27-welcoming-almalinux-10... tl;dr: AlmaLinux will support v2 in EL10 as a separate rebuild in the near future.
  - jonathanspw 1y ago
    We already support it - the build is live. https://repo.almalinux.org/almalinux/10/isos/x86_64_v2/ https://repo.almalinux.org/almalinux/10/isos/x86_64_v2/ We even do a full EPEL rebuild for it as well.
  - bayindirh 1y ago
    In our case OS selection is done on a case by case basis, and we don't take sides. In our case depreciation of V2 has no practical implications, either. This is also same on the personal level. I use the OS which is most suitable for the task at hand, and the root OS (Debian / RedHat / etc.) doesn't matter. I'm comfortable with all of them the same.
- IgnaciusMonk 1y ago
  Rocky linux is in cahoots with Oracle, do not supporting that with anything, not even with words. Go Alma linux if you need Red Hat but with different name but for love of anything good in this world, boycott everyone friendly with Ellison.
  - bayindirh 1y ago
    Interesting. Source?
anthk 1y ago
Gemini Lake runs pretty well. If that happens, bye Fedora Bazzite with Linux-Libre on top.

gleenn 1y ago

Can you be more explicit? Is it because they are optimizing too much to a single platform that isn't generalizable to other compilers or architectures? What's your specific gripe?

almostgotcaught 1y ago

Whose hands exactly is LLVM in?

bayindirh 1y ago

Both LLVM and GCC is being supported by processor manufacturers directly. Yes, Apple and Intel has their own LLVM versions, but as long as don't break compatibility with GCC and doesn't prevent porting explicitly, I don't see a problem. I personally use GCC suite exclusively though, and while LLVM is not my favorite compiler, we can thank them for spurring GCC team into action for improving their game.

dazzawazza 1y ago
> ... and while LLVM is not my favorite compiler, we can thank them for spurring GCC team into action for improving their game. Exactly. I think people have forgotten just how poor GCC was 15 years ago. Both teams are doing excellent work. Even M$ has been upping it's game with it's compiler!