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Are there any indications or just a feel?

• bags43 1y ago
  Company where I work had huge risk audit. The second highest risk is using USA based cloud with 66/100. The first one was using Spring Boot everywhere 77/100. Till the end of 2025 we need to have migration path to something else with 2 PoCs done.
  • jchmbrln 1y ago
    I’m completely out of the loop. What’s going on with Spring Boot?
    • radicalbyte 1y ago
      The VMware apocalypse.
      • heisenbit 1y ago
        One does not need VMware for SpringBoot so?
        • xienze 1y ago
          Spring’s corporate steward is VMWare, and Broadcom bought VMWare, ergo Spring is subject to Broadcom’s whims.
        • TYMorningCoffee 1y ago
          VMware owns Spring Boot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Boot https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring_Boot
        • loloquwowndueo 1y ago
          Not spring boot, but spring, is owned by VMware. Sure spring is under a free license but if upstream enshittifies, community forks would be required.
          • mindcrime 1y ago
            And as popular and widely used as Spring is, that would 100% happen. To me at least, I wouldn't count this as a particularly huge risk. But in an enterprise setting, with mandatory auditing and stuff, I can understand why there would be a requirement to at least pre-identify alternative(s).
          • terminalbraid 1y ago
            > Not spring boot, but spring, is owned by VMware How do I reconcile this statement with VMWare holding the copyright which you will find unambiguously littered in the official Spring Boot repository? Since you contend the contrary, who does in fact hold the copyright?
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    • xienze 1y ago
      Probably a bit of overreaction given that Broadcom is now in charge of Spring. At the end of the day it’s a wildly popular open source project — it has a path forward if Broadcom pulls shenanigans. That said, I have noticed that the free support window for any given version is super short these days. I.e. if you’re not on top of constantly upgrading you’re looking at paid support if you want security patches.
  • jcrben 1y ago
    What was the actual risk of using SpringBoot tho?
    • ntqz 1y ago
      License changes - BSL or closing the source If there's no money in it for them - reduction of staff or funding leading to slower releases and bugfixes Moving some features like Spring Cloud / Spring Integration, or new development behind a paywall (think RHEL) Big users (like Netflix, Walmart, JPMorgan, LinkedIn/Microsoft, etc) would likely be able to pay for it (until they moved off), but smaller companies and individual developers not so much
      • bbkane 1y ago
        I think it would be more of a Redis situation - steward changes the license, someone large enough to maintain a fork creates one, and everyone moves to the fork. In Redis's case, Amazon forked it into Valkey. Spring is so widely used that there are multiple "large enough" companies who could do this
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  • somehnguy 1y ago
    What's the actual risk though? Just saying it's the riskiest at 77/100 doesn't mean anything.
    • bags43 1y ago
      Among others: - license change -> restricting features behind a paid tier (https://spring.io/blog/2025/04/21/spring-cloud-data-flow-commercial https://spring.io/blog/2025/04/21/spring-cloud-data-flow-com...) - reducing headcount of people -> slow security patching + not following industry standards - all eggs in one basket :) - cut from major clouds (Azure Spring apps)