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ICE's Supercharged Facial Recognition App of 200M Images
- rimbo789 1y ago[dead]
- hnpolicestate 1y agoAs a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. These same tools and policies will just be used against them in the future. Makes me question democracy.
- refurb 1y agoI haven’t seen any base “clamoring for mass digital surveillance”? It’s either indifference (mostly due to ignorance) or outright opposition?
- burkaman 1y agoNot in the future, these tools and policies are already used against everyone right now. Plenty of Trump supporters have already been arrested and/or deported by ICE.
- oceansky 1y agoAnd they still blame Biden/Obama/Hillary for it.
- hnpolicestate 1y agoYa good point. Just because the tools haven't been used on me personally doesn't mean they aren't already being used. I assume they used for J6 riot.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y agoI assume you are talking about Hispanic Trump supporters because ICE definitely hasn't deported your middle of America white Trump supporter.
- burkaman 1y agoI was actually thinking about this guy when I wrote that comment: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nh-green-card-holder-denied-reentry-canada-trump-rcna218345 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/nh-green-card-holder-de...
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- mikece 1y agoWhen the founder of Palantir donates a ton of money -- as well as one of his acolytes to be the VP -- it would be more surprising if this DIDN'T happen. This is precisely the kind of thing the angry right wing would be up in arms about (maybe even literally) if it wasn't their side pushing for it. The billionaire party owns both political parties; they shuffle the front-people to give the illusion of choice. In reality they get what they want. George Carlin spoke eloquently about this.
- ThinkBeat 1y agoI believe strongly that most of this work has been done prior to the current president taking office. What you say may be true and we will see what comes in the future, but dont for a moment believe that all these things are due to the current, nor that previous was fighting to stop it.
- user982 1y agoMany of the weapons now wielded by Trump (ICE, AUMF, DHS, Guantanamo, etc) were introduced under Bush II.
- potato3732842 1y agoExactly. Everyone screeching now should have listened to those weirdo civil liberties people 20yr ago. You get the government you deserve. I hope we can get this authoritarian phase over with quickly so that the people who actually made decisions, if only as minor as voting, can suffer for them rather than die peacefully leaving future generations to sort it out.
- ThinkBeat 1y agoGiven that the majority of Republicans and Democrats have kept these programs alive, one way or another, does not fill with much hope on that front. Or put differently, enough Republicans and Democrats to keep it alive.
- ljsprague 1y agoI don't know anyone clamoring for mass digital surveillance. Immigration raids perhaps.
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- dmix 1y agoThe news of Palantir database was pretty unpopular among the twitter right from what I've seen. If it came to a public vote I doubt "government builds giant surveillance system" would get wide support from anyone even if it was spun as anti-immigrant. This is just something the type of people who end up in government try every year despite the fact few people want it.
- dyauspitr 1y agoBy “pretty unpopular” you mean lip service while they vote for the same cretins that are doing this next cycle.
- bcrosby95 1y agoNo politician 100% aligns with everything you believe in. I voted for Obama twice and he certainly disappointed in several ways. But voting for the other guy would have been more disappointing.
- snypher 1y agoImagine if we had more than two choices. I have no idea how to make that happen, but it seems like it needs to.
- willis936 1y agohttps://youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE https://youtu.be/3Y3jE3B8HsE
- dmix 1y agoWe have three choices in Canada and it's basically the same thing. They pretended we were going to get more options last time but it turned out to be politically untenable for the powers at be.
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- clutchdude 1y ago> After two excruciatingly long years, likely voters are beginning to question the federal government’s handling of the pandemic,” said Chris Talgo, senior editor and research fellow at The Heartland Institute, which commissioned this poll. “First and foremost, likely voters are beginning to sour on Dr. Anthony Fauci, who seems to have lost credibility after countless flip-flops. I mean, you kinda tipped your hand here.
- hnpolicestate 1y agoYep. I lost my city job over mandates. General population suffers from herd mentality.
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- ta8645 1y agoA lot of the anti-vax people felt like Covid was a made up and didn't warrant being called an emergency. Not saying they were right, but the point is, once you decide something is an emergency, all of a sudden, you're willing to put up with a lot of government intrusion, for the "good of society". That's the same thing the Trumper's _think_ they're doing, too. It doesn't feel made up to them.
- bananalychee 1y agoYou are trying to walk between the lines and perhaps that's an attempt to avoid being flagged, but it is disingenuous to insinuate that the only objection to the pandemic population control exercise was that it was "fake". There were many lies spun over the course of the pandemic and in most cases it was obvious that they were lies within weeks or months of the outbreak. Despite that people were happy to collaborate with the overreach by snitching on their family members, "friends", and neighbors for touching too much grass, when in fact virtually no healthy individual under the age of 40 was risking much by living normally, and especially not the children abused by the extended freakout. Had cooler heads prevailed perhaps we could have ended the madness after a year, but it had to drag on for two more, and the resulting "stimulus" overspending that dragged on for far too long subsequently aggravated the wave of inflation and cost of living crisis that we're in today. Regardless of our feelings towards illegal immigration enforcement today it is completely insane how whitewashed this event was in comparison, but I suppose that's how it is when the authoritarians are on "your" (general you) side. And in response to the parent comment: "made up characterization of the situation", you bet. If only the concerned citizens had a consistent moral framework, I could sympathize.
- dragonwriter 1y ago> As a former MAGA it's just mind boggling to watch all the supposedly freedom loving GOP base clamor for mass digital surveillance and gestapo immigration raids. Both (sweeping away due process for mass deportation, and eliminating restrictions on law enforcement and surveillance in the name of “law and order” generally) were both major promises of Trump’s 2024 campaign and things that he made steps toward limited by institutional forces (courts, political resistance including in some cases from old-line Republicans, etc.), which Trump and the MAGA movement derided as deep state traitors, during his 2017-2021 term. Kind of surprising to see someone who describes themselves as ex-MAGA who is surprised that the GOP under Trump supports these things.
- mbostleman 1y ago> sweeping away due process for mass deportation…> This is pretty off topic obviously but I see this due process claim a lot and I am assuming I’m missing some kind of fundamental legal concepts. And that wouldn’t be surprising because I have no legal background. If a person is not a citizen, and they’ve overstayed whatever limit there is to staying while not being a citizen, and if the action taken is to remove the person from the country - what role does due process play? Proof of citizenship seems like it should be a pretty cut and dried thing to determine. It shouldn’t require a court proceeding should it? If the accusation was like theft or murder and/or the action taken was imprisonment or fines, that would be a different story. But this is like being escorted out of a movie theater if you can’t present your ticket.
- dmix 1y agoUS Supreme court has ruled there is due process for illegal immigrants and reaffirmed it in various case law since immigration law became a thing over a century ago. The US was founded on natural rights principals which apply to every person in the country, not just citizens. The right to due process is not something congress can touch via new immigration laws even if they wanted (absent maybe a constitutional amendment).
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- blitzar 1y agoAs MAGA likes to say - Promises made, promises kept It makes me question all sorts of things when people get what they were promised and then complain they got it.
- miohtama 1y agoPeter Thiel must be doing Mr Burns laugh on this one
- mikece 1y agoNo... he'll do that if/when his acolyte steps up from VPOTUS to POTUS.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y agoI keep trying to tell people that the US is over when JD Vance becomes POTUS next year because they will attempt to get him behind the desk before the election.
- aikinai 1y agoWhy would they do that? And why would it be the end of the US?
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y agoJD Vance and Peter Thiel are followers of Curtis Yarvin who ultimately wants the end of democracy and freedom of speech to create a "CEO for America" who can make decrees at will. JD Vance is Thiel's protege and the reason JD Vance is VP is because of Thiel's support.
- mikece 1y agoI had never heard of Curtis Yarvin... though his views aren't exactly novel or unique.
- ujkhsjkdhf234 1y agoWhether they are novel or not isn't important. What is important is that he has the ear of the VPOTUS and the CEO of the largest private surveillance network.
- neonate 1y agohttps://archive.md/YVKNN https://archive.md/YVKNN
- hypeatei 1y ago> The app represents an unprecedented linking of government databases into a single tool, including from the State Department, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), the FBI, and state records I think we're well past the point of stopping these dystopian practices given the government has already collected this data. They're merely using it how they want. If you go through customs as a US citizen, you don't even need to hand over your passport: they just scan your face now. Calling out these practices is good, but the time to stop this would've been after 9/11 and the ensuing terrorism hysteria (Patriot Act, FISA, etc..) which gave three letter agencies the go-ahead to do whatever they want.
- cardamomo 1y agoTo adapt a common adage, maybe immediately post 9/11 would have been the best time. Now is the second best.
- hypeatei 1y agoDefinitely. I think that would be very hard to carry out for various reasons, though. Intelligence agencies generally want minimal oversight and more power so you'd be fighting that at every corner which includes: 1) Vague threats to leak/expose Congress members' personal matters who craft legislation against them. Chuck Schumer (a sitting US senator) admitted on live TV that the intel community has "six ways from Sunday" to get back at you. 2) Blatant disregard for the law by "just following orders", see anecdotes about Michael Hayden, a former CIA director. 3) Data storage, backup, and classified systems. Decades of collection probably means this data is scattered in many places which could give these agencies a chance to retain data "accidentally" or put up roadblocks due to high level clearances being required to work with these systems.
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- trhway 1y agoit is made with public money, and as it can't be stopped, it should just be made available to the general public and businesses. I think that should be applied to all the government collected info (except for narrow cases specifically excluded like health and IRS records - though i think IRS records also should be public)
- ThinkBeat 1y agoThis was demonstrated in the investigation into the January 6th riots. ICE is not the only part of the government using it, or something like it. Might be made seperately for each agency, more profitable that way.
- sreejithr 1y agoWe all knew USA is just a Temu version of Chinese Communist Party
- chriskanan 1y agoIf they are going to do this, they really ought to corroborate the face recognition with fingerprints. Many people have unrelated doppelgangers, even if an AI algorithm was near perfect: https://twinstrangers.net/ https://twinstrangers.net/
- acomjean 1y agoIdentical twins are a thing as well.
- catlikesshrimp 1y agoIdentical twins have different fingerprint patterns
- refurb 1y agoYou can read all about USCBP policies on the use facial recognition https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy-pia-ice-frs-054-may2020.pdf https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/privacy... It would appear the software returns a lot of “potential matches” with propensity scores and demographic and recording information and it’s up to the agent to make the final determination. It’s more a tool to find potential matches rather than a program that pops up and says “this is who this person is”