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Thank you for loving Firefox - https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/m/m-p/16863/highlight/true#M7430 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/m/m-p/1686

Thank you for loving Firefox - https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/m/m-p/16863/highlight/true#M7430 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/m/m-p/16863/highl...

ralfd 1y ago
This is an amazing rant! Too bad it was only had 4 comments here at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33293892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33293892
- rendaw 1y ago
  > Ah, but does anyone from Mozilla take any notice of our grumbling and complaining here? Apparently, no. Bodes well for this Q&A with someone thoroughly air-gapped from development and management.
  - ethbr1 1y ago
    I’d love a Q&A with the Mozilla exec team… https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ Considering, you know, Firefox is their most important product.
    - transcriptase 1y ago
      No, Firefox is the conduit through which the funding provided by Google to stave off claims of monopoly are used for pet projects and padding CVs by people wholly uninterested in Firefox.
- vintagedave 1y ago
  I just resubmitted. It deserves attention IMO. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44580702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44580702
- enraged_camel 1y ago
  >> This is an amazing rant! It's not. People who take issue with every little thing like this are extremely unpleasant to be around, and extremely unpleasant to have as users.
- Barrin92 1y ago
  >This is an amazing rant! Is it? The guy is "highly offended" (???) by playful language and color themes and does the performatively enraged internet guy thing of being shocked that Mozilla has a political agenda, despite the fact that Mozilla, a purpose driven non-profit has had a manifesto written by Mitchell Baker since 2007? If you're enraged by an emoji or by someone saying thank you for loving our browser it's probably time to turn the computer off or something
  - tojaprice 1y ago
    Agreed, also: >> The article began: >>"Last year we upleveled our Private Browsing mode." >> Sorry, "upleveled" is not a verb I've ever heard of, in decades of using the Web. Why are you beginning articles with made-up verbs that you know people aren't going to understand? Why not use standard, plain, clear English? Just because the person ranting had never heard of it doesn't mean that uplevel isn't a verb; and I am not sure how their amount of time spent using the web would correlate to their grasp on the English language.
    - mrob 1y ago
      I checked for "upleveled" in Google Ngram Viewer ( https://books.google.com/ngrams/ https://books.google.com/ngrams/ ) Although the word alone is found, there are zero matches for it combined with various articles and determiners: >Ngrams not found: upleveled a, upleveled the, upleveled fewer, upleveled less, upleveled more, upleveled fewest, upleveled least >Ngrams not found: upleveled most, upleveled this, upleveled that, upleveled these, upleveled those, upleveled each, upleveled every >Ngrams not found: upleveled any, upleveled some, upleveled either, upleveled neither, upleveled enough, upleveled sufficient >Ngrams not found: upleveled what, upleveled which, upleveled you, upleveled all, upleveled both, upleveled certain, upleveled several >Ngrams not found: upleveled various, upleveled few, upleveled little, upleveled many, upleveled much >Ngrams not found: upleveled my, upleveled his, upleveled her, upleveled its, upleveled our, upleveled their, upleveled your This suggests all the supposed matches for the word alone could be OCR errors or typos. If "upleveled" is a real word it's so rare that it has no place in any writing that you expect to be broadly understood.
- meristohm 1y ago
  "Surely, you have one job and that is to deliver tech that works—not to waste users' time by giving them irrelevant copy to read which has no functional value." Microsoft has been doing this for years, with its messages during Windows setup, along the lines of "sit back and relax while we work our magic" which is at best annoying.
  - accrual 1y ago
    95, 98, Me, and XP all at least provided screenshots of some new features in the release. 10 and later just have the fuzzy "getting things ready" flavor text.
    - bombcar 1y ago
      Those were informative and at least not boring and changed often enough to keep you interested and tell you that set up is still working.
    - merb 1y ago
      Tbf most os‘s including windows install extremely fast. It’s the shit show you need to do after the installation that is annoying. Even starting edge after you did the worlds slowest after installation wizard. You need to fucking await it’s fullscreen feature announcement until you can download another browser.
      - smegger001 1y ago
        I beleibe you can grab Firefox by FTP in the CMD or powershell at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ and never actually open edge or ie.
  - aydyn 1y ago
    At least Windows is giving that to you at a time when you cant be doing anything else. The nonsense mozilla gets up to is truly on another level.
- tim333 1y ago
  I know everyone says you should use Firefox not Chrome but one of the nice things with Chrome is for the most part it just works without that kind of thing. Just looking at switching over after they scrapped Manifest V2 and I ads popping up on youtube!
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93po 1y ago
while i agree that mozilla is silly for thinking they're bring about positive social impact, it's also concerning for the author to call DEI (as a sentiment, not as a flawed implementation) "divisive politics" when it's just basic recognition of being a decent human. It makes me think the author is an "all lives matter" person.
MollyRealized 1y ago
"Welcome to Costco, I love you." That movie was so damn eerily prescient.
- hyperdimension 1y ago
  On nearly every point. We should be glad we still have water, if not just to flush the toilets with.
ibejoeb 1y ago
"Last year we upleveled our Private Browsing mode." Hah, perfect. I recently got a contract to "upskill" a team. I mean, I kinda get it: training, right? But I was not confident that I really did understand it, specifically. I asked what the hell that meant and was met with a lot contorted phrases to describe it. Sure enough, training. We're inventing work...

Thank you for loving Firefox - https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/m/m-p/16863/highlight/true#M7430 https://connect.mozilla.org/t5/discussions/m/m-p/16863/highl...

ralfd 1y ago

This is an amazing rant! Too bad it was only had 4 comments here at the time: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33293892 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33293892

rendaw 1y ago
> Ah, but does anyone from Mozilla take any notice of our grumbling and complaining here? Apparently, no. Bodes well for this Q&A with someone thoroughly air-gapped from development and management.
- ethbr1 1y ago
  I’d love a Q&A with the Mozilla exec team… https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/leadership/ Considering, you know, Firefox is their most important product.
  - transcriptase 1y ago
    No, Firefox is the conduit through which the funding provided by Google to stave off claims of monopoly are used for pet projects and padding CVs by people wholly uninterested in Firefox.
vintagedave 1y ago
I just resubmitted. It deserves attention IMO. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44580702 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44580702
enraged_camel 1y ago
>> This is an amazing rant! It's not. People who take issue with every little thing like this are extremely unpleasant to be around, and extremely unpleasant to have as users.
Barrin92 1y ago
>This is an amazing rant! Is it? The guy is "highly offended" (???) by playful language and color themes and does the performatively enraged internet guy thing of being shocked that Mozilla has a political agenda, despite the fact that Mozilla, a purpose driven non-profit has had a manifesto written by Mitchell Baker since 2007? If you're enraged by an emoji or by someone saying thank you for loving our browser it's probably time to turn the computer off or something
- tojaprice 1y ago
  Agreed, also: >> The article began: >>"Last year we upleveled our Private Browsing mode." >> Sorry, "upleveled" is not a verb I've ever heard of, in decades of using the Web. Why are you beginning articles with made-up verbs that you know people aren't going to understand? Why not use standard, plain, clear English? Just because the person ranting had never heard of it doesn't mean that uplevel isn't a verb; and I am not sure how their amount of time spent using the web would correlate to their grasp on the English language.
  - mrob 1y ago
    I checked for "upleveled" in Google Ngram Viewer ( https://books.google.com/ngrams/ https://books.google.com/ngrams/ ) Although the word alone is found, there are zero matches for it combined with various articles and determiners: >Ngrams not found: upleveled a, upleveled the, upleveled fewer, upleveled less, upleveled more, upleveled fewest, upleveled least >Ngrams not found: upleveled most, upleveled this, upleveled that, upleveled these, upleveled those, upleveled each, upleveled every >Ngrams not found: upleveled any, upleveled some, upleveled either, upleveled neither, upleveled enough, upleveled sufficient >Ngrams not found: upleveled what, upleveled which, upleveled you, upleveled all, upleveled both, upleveled certain, upleveled several >Ngrams not found: upleveled various, upleveled few, upleveled little, upleveled many, upleveled much >Ngrams not found: upleveled my, upleveled his, upleveled her, upleveled its, upleveled our, upleveled their, upleveled your This suggests all the supposed matches for the word alone could be OCR errors or typos. If "upleveled" is a real word it's so rare that it has no place in any writing that you expect to be broadly understood.
meristohm 1y ago
"Surely, you have one job and that is to deliver tech that works—not to waste users' time by giving them irrelevant copy to read which has no functional value." Microsoft has been doing this for years, with its messages during Windows setup, along the lines of "sit back and relax while we work our magic" which is at best annoying.
- accrual 1y ago
  95, 98, Me, and XP all at least provided screenshots of some new features in the release. 10 and later just have the fuzzy "getting things ready" flavor text.
  - bombcar 1y ago
    Those were informative and at least not boring and changed often enough to keep you interested and tell you that set up is still working.
  - merb 1y ago
    Tbf most os‘s including windows install extremely fast. It’s the shit show you need to do after the installation that is annoying. Even starting edge after you did the worlds slowest after installation wizard. You need to fucking await it’s fullscreen feature announcement until you can download another browser.
    - smegger001 1y ago
      I beleibe you can grab Firefox by FTP in the CMD or powershell at ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/ and never actually open edge or ie.
- aydyn 1y ago
  At least Windows is giving that to you at a time when you cant be doing anything else. The nonsense mozilla gets up to is truly on another level.
tim333 1y ago
I know everyone says you should use Firefox not Chrome but one of the nice things with Chrome is for the most part it just works without that kind of thing. Just looking at switching over after they scrapped Manifest V2 and I ads popping up on youtube!

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93po 1y ago

while i agree that mozilla is silly for thinking they're bring about positive social impact, it's also concerning for the author to call DEI (as a sentiment, not as a flawed implementation) "divisive politics" when it's just basic recognition of being a decent human. It makes me think the author is an "all lives matter" person.

MollyRealized 1y ago

"Welcome to Costco, I love you." That movie was so damn eerily prescient.

hyperdimension 1y ago
On nearly every point. We should be glad we still have water, if not just to flush the toilets with.

ibejoeb 1y ago

"Last year we upleveled our Private Browsing mode." Hah, perfect. I recently got a contract to "upskill" a team. I mean, I kinda get it: training, right? But I was not confident that I really did understand it, specifically. I asked what the hell that meant and was met with a lot contorted phrases to describe it. Sure enough, training. We're inventing work...