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What a ridiculous attitude. The world will always have problems you cannot control. People have been having babies in all sorts of adversity for all of history.
by bpbp-mango 1y ago
What a ridiculous attitude. The world will always have problems you cannot control. People have been having babies in all sorts of adversity for all of history.
- louwrentius 1y agoBecause things are supposedly “normal”, or happened “for all of history” it doesn’t make it right or moral in any way. I expect better, more thoughtful replies on HN than this.
- bpbp-mango 1y agohaving kids is, by default, right and moral.
- louwrentius 1y agoYou made that up. It’s very easy to think of circumstances where it would be very immoral because of all the suffering the children will have to endure.
- alexey-salmin 1y agoMoral norms evolve to ensure survival of it's bearers. Basically under no circumstances it will be immoral for the population at large to have kids because such moral norms will quickly cease to exist. Eather because it's bearers cease to exist or more likely because they move on to more suitable moral norms. I say "more likely" because humans obviously didn't get extinct despite bringing kids into the world of suffering for about a million years.
- Tadpole9181 1y agoI was literally told as a kid that we were heading to overpopulation and that having kids would be immoral. The Chinese committed a genocide against girl infants with that as a justification.
- alexey-salmin 1y agoI'm not saying that's something that can't happen, I'm saying it can't last for long. The "immoral to have kids" crowd still exists e.g in Europe but their options are to either change their mind or to be gradually overrun by people who think otherwise.
- immibis 1y agoThey're not genetically transmitted.
- Tadpole9181 1y agoWeird, I think having the right to bodily autonomy and freedom to control your own life is - by default - right and moral. And any attempt to mandate what others must or cannot do, outside of what harms those around them, is - by default - wrong and immoral. Shockingly, declarations as if we are gods laying down "the one true morality" are not actually definitions of "the one true morality".
- twelvefeet 1y ago[dead]
- triceratops 1y ago> People have been having babies in all sorts of adversity for all of history But they didn't know how screwed they were.
- floren 1y agoI think literal chattel slaves knew they were pretty bad off but they still had kids. (If you implied sarcasm I apologize, it's extremely hard to tell when dealing with HN posters)
- triceratops 1y agoI encourage you to do some research about this. I did and I wish I had not.
- floren 1y agoedit: you know what, I'm not going into this here, I'll leave a link with some actual slave narratives about family and children. https://americainclass.org/family-life-of-the-enslaved/ https://americainclass.org/family-life-of-the-enslaved/
- anonymars 1y agoWhy is this ridiculous? If the topic is about the baby boom, surely "optimism" at the end of WWII plays a big role. (Unsurprisingly, birth rates during the Great Depression had plummeted)
- anon291 1y agoThe entire male populace suffered from PTSD, and substantial portions from combat induced disability. My goodness... If that's optimism imagine today.
- gt0 1y agoIt may be hard to believe, that is considered a major reason for the baby boom. People were happy the war was over, happy to be back with their families, The GI Bill made people optimistic about the future. There was PTSD of course, a lot of grief and life altering injuries, but back then you didn't talk about it and just drank and beat up your wife and kids instead.
- Qem 1y ago> People have been having babies in all sorts of adversity for all of history. Anatomically modern humans exist for ~100,000-200,000 years. Reliable contraception widely available is something that didn't exist until ~60 years ago. So we can't just use past performance to predict the future.