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Is that actually possible? Can we do a live test here? Let's say we want this dataset: Credit card line items for 35-year-old dentists living on the 400 block
by ck_one 1y ago
Is that actually possible? Can we do a live test here?
Let's say we want this dataset:
Credit card line items for 35-year-old dentists living on the 400 block of Elm street in local town
How much do I have to pay you to get it?
- dylan604 1y agoHow much you got? Never ask a sales person how much yo have to pay when the prices are not already clearly stated. Tell them how much you are willing to spend to see if they will do it for that amount. Sales people will always shoot high hoping to not leave money on the table. The price might change depending on how much you squeal and how high they shot. Your initial "willing to spend" should also be lower than you're actually willing to spend for the same but converse reason
- metamet 1y agoBut what type of range are we talking? Tens, hundreds, thousands?
- dylan604 1y agoIt could also mean that if you have to ask... or the first rule of data brokering... Seems like the first thing to do would be to get an account with one of these data brokers. I'd imagine most of these places are "contact us for pricing" so they can play used car salesman games Or, you could ask John Oliver to do it for you and then tell all of us on one of his episodes exactly how in depth it could get. They have the money to do this, and it seems like something right in his team's wheel house
- some_random 1y agoIf you need John Oliver to do it maybe it's not such a big problem? If no one here is able to provide a single concrete example, maybe it's not real?
- dylan604 1y agoJohn Oliver likes to spend HBO's money to do things others can't do while entertaining the rest of us. I'm not spending my money on something to prove what is known as possible for you. At this point, even with receipts, you're coming across as someone that would argue that grass is not green, or water isn't wet, and fire isn't hot. Just because someone doesn't answer your belligerent questions does not mean it's not possible. It probably means that the people that are doing this with first hand knowledge have too much to do than trying to convert doubting Thomas over here.
- some_random 1y agoAll of this started because in response to an extremely concrete question, what's the cost of transaction data for a tightly constrained population, you replied with a smug non-answer about the greed of salespeople. These questions only got "belligerent" because every single answer has been nonsense insisting that it's super easy and cheap but also I couldn't possibly name a single site where this data is sold or provide even an order of magnitude of cost. Or maybe now it requires HBO levels of funding, who knows.
- dylan604 1y agoI offered sage advice on how to negotiate when you don’t know a firm price on anything whether that be data or a car or a home remodeling. If you want to say that advice was a smug answer then that’s on you. Every answer after has just gone further and further off the rails
- some_random 1y agoNah there's no way you actually watch John Oliver because that was really funny. Anyways, you mentioned earlier that we wouldn't believe you even if you posted receipts but that's actually exactly what we want to see. Like, just the name of a business, the thing that was sold, and the price.
- lazyasciiart 1y agoOk, so nobody here knows directly of any case where such data has been purchased, or vaguely similar, and we have no pricing information whatsoever available, but we are somehow completely knowledgeable about it being possible and how to do it? That sounds unlikely.
- andrew_lettuce 1y agoThe supposedly in-the-know responses here are full of bravado but not much other than "trust me, bro"
- JohnMakin 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44565878 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44565878 Yea, you know everything, don't you.
- some_random 1y agoWow the Transunion business site, that really proves it huh.
- dylan604 1y agoExperian is known to sell the data they have. Why is this even in question? If I provide you Experian's website, you would give the same BS response? Let me google this for you... https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+buy+data+from+a+data+broker&t=h_&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?q=how+to+buy+data+from+a+data+broker...
- some_random 1y agoThe conversation was for buying transaction data from specific people, something that many seem to insist is easy and cheap and doable. Meanwhile if you actually read the responses to that search you smugly cited you'll find that no one seems to know how to actually do anything remotely like this. Yes this data is definitely harvested and it seems like you should be able to buy it in bulk from someone somewhere, but again no one seems to know where or how much or what the purchase minimum would be etc.
- chasd00 1y agoi think it could be feasible to get an ad in front of "35-year-old dentists living on the 400 block of Elm street in local town" who has bought product X but i've never seen a transaction by transaction purchase history being for sale.