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I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I

by asdev 1y ago

I never knew anyone who used Windsurf. These AI acquisitions have been unbelievable(in a bad way). WIX acquired some garbage Lovable.dev clone for 80 million. I think many of us are waiting for this bubble to pop(economy will likely pop too)

nimchimpsky 1y ago
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sunaookami 1y ago
It was barely better than Cursor and they got shafted by Anthropic because of the takeover announcement so nobody really used it anymore because let's face it - Claude Sonnet is just the best coding model. Design-wise the chat panel and autocomplete integration was a bit nicer than in Cursor but not by much. Subscription for Windsurf was/is also 5$ cheaper.
- break_the_bank 1y ago
  i don't think it was better than or comparable to cursor at all. except for the month prior to the OpenAI Acquisition news where some minor influencers on X were calling it better. if it was better it would have survived.
  - buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
    > if it was better it would have survived. Not sure how you can claim this when: 1. It is still very much alive, and 2. The whole point GP is making is that what made it better got stripped from it because of the acquisition announcement
cellis 1y ago
Base44 is absolutely not garbage. I’ve tried it and can say it’s as good or better of a vibe-builder than Lovable or Bolt. Have you benchmarked it against the competition or can you otherwise substantiate the “garbage” claim? FWIW I do know one amazing engineer using Windsurf
- asdev 1y ago
  all those projects are garbage and just create half bake prototypes that never see the light of day
  - cellis 1y ago
    Agree in principle, but when evaluated against the competition and likely acquisition targets of Wix, it's certainly not garbage. I've seen it vibe code an entire app that was -- admittedly mostly working -- and deploy it with a prompt of 5 words, in about 2 minutes.
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raincole 1y ago
Well I use Windsurf. It's a good alternative to GitHub Copilot. The free tier is on par with Copilot's paid plan. ...which no one talks about anymore. Okay I guess you have a point.
manquer 1y ago
Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.
- agnokapathetic 1y ago
  claude code has a Jetbrains plugin which is delightful!
  - manquer 1y ago
    Seems a recent launch in beta just in June . Thanks for the share !
- paulbgd 1y ago
  Check out sweep. Completely unaffiliated, their only offering is the jetbrains plugin so it gets a lot more focus than windsurf. Only downside is that Claude code is still a better agent, but at least its tab complete is some of the best
- rafaelmn 1y ago
  GitHub copilot now has agents in jetbrain (not sure about stable - my nightly does). Jetbrains Junie is supposedly the same thing but no Rider and that's my current project so didn't get into that yet. Windsurf was just disappointingly bad in intellij (like any other plugin I've tried so far)
  - allertonm 1y ago
    The copilot agent stuff in IntelliJ works relatively well in my experience, they managed to implement a quite cursor-like “accept/reject” UI in a plugin, you know, forking IDEA. There are some areas like getting it to use git tools where cursor works more smoothly but you can coax Copilot into producing the same results. I’m just generally happier working in IntelliJ vs VSCode so I’ve tended to favour Copilot. Never tried Windsurf in it’s recent form but we did evaluate it when it was still called Codeium and everyone liked Copilot better.
iammrpayments 1y ago
The first time they hit the news, I’ve tried to open their website to see what it was all about and it froze my phone lol
sumedh 1y ago
I was on Windsurf's grandfather $10 per month plan, it was really good during the Sonnet 3.5 and 3.7 days I am still a paid subscriber but most of my usage is claude code now becaue Windsurf does not Sonnet 4 included in their plan.
Fethbita 1y ago
Windsurf was also used by enterprises because of their on-prem plan. They gutted that after OpenAI acquisition was announced and since then I am sure none of those enterprises that used it will switch to their cloud offering and look for other venues.
vitaflo 1y ago
It’s the modern day dotcom boom and all these agents are the modern day Dreamweaver.
physicles 1y ago
I used it for about six weeks in the spring, at which point I tried cursor and found out that it was far better for my use case (backend Go): better and faster autocomplete that can work across files, less buggy UI, and it actually follows your rules. I’m not bothered by this news — it’d be pretty shortsighted to assume that any of these disposable AI assistants will continue to exist forever.

by asdev 1y ago

nimchimpsky 1y ago

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sunaookami 1y ago

It was barely better than Cursor and they got shafted by Anthropic because of the takeover announcement so nobody really used it anymore because let's face it - Claude Sonnet is just the best coding model. Design-wise the chat panel and autocomplete integration was a bit nicer than in Cursor but not by much. Subscription for Windsurf was/is also 5$ cheaper.

break_the_bank 1y ago
i don't think it was better than or comparable to cursor at all. except for the month prior to the OpenAI Acquisition news where some minor influencers on X were calling it better. if it was better it would have survived.
- buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
  > if it was better it would have survived. Not sure how you can claim this when: 1. It is still very much alive, and 2. The whole point GP is making is that what made it better got stripped from it because of the acquisition announcement

cellis 1y ago

Base44 is absolutely not garbage. I’ve tried it and can say it’s as good or better of a vibe-builder than Lovable or Bolt. Have you benchmarked it against the competition or can you otherwise substantiate the “garbage” claim? FWIW I do know one amazing engineer using Windsurf

asdev 1y ago
all those projects are garbage and just create half bake prototypes that never see the light of day
- cellis 1y ago
  Agree in principle, but when evaluated against the competition and likely acquisition targets of Wix, it's certainly not garbage. I've seen it vibe code an entire app that was -- admittedly mostly working -- and deploy it with a prompt of 5 words, in about 2 minutes.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]

raincole 1y ago

Well I use Windsurf. It's a good alternative to GitHub Copilot. The free tier is on par with Copilot's paid plan. ...which no one talks about anymore. Okay I guess you have a point.

manquer 1y ago

Everyone has a niche, Windsurf is the only large provider if you are a Jetbrains shop. There are some alternatives like continue.dev or Jetbrains own AI offering but no Cursor or Claude Code ( Sonnet 3.7/4) you can get through Jetbrains plugin or others, but Anthropic does not provide support same with cursor.

agnokapathetic 1y ago
claude code has a Jetbrains plugin which is delightful!
- manquer 1y ago
  Seems a recent launch in beta just in June . Thanks for the share !
paulbgd 1y ago
Check out sweep. Completely unaffiliated, their only offering is the jetbrains plugin so it gets a lot more focus than windsurf. Only downside is that Claude code is still a better agent, but at least its tab complete is some of the best
rafaelmn 1y ago
GitHub copilot now has agents in jetbrain (not sure about stable - my nightly does). Jetbrains Junie is supposedly the same thing but no Rider and that's my current project so didn't get into that yet. Windsurf was just disappointingly bad in intellij (like any other plugin I've tried so far)
- allertonm 1y ago
  The copilot agent stuff in IntelliJ works relatively well in my experience, they managed to implement a quite cursor-like “accept/reject” UI in a plugin, you know, forking IDEA. There are some areas like getting it to use git tools where cursor works more smoothly but you can coax Copilot into producing the same results. I’m just generally happier working in IntelliJ vs VSCode so I’ve tended to favour Copilot. Never tried Windsurf in it’s recent form but we did evaluate it when it was still called Codeium and everyone liked Copilot better.

iammrpayments 1y ago

The first time they hit the news, I’ve tried to open their website to see what it was all about and it froze my phone lol

sumedh 1y ago

I was on Windsurf's grandfather $10 per month plan, it was really good during the Sonnet 3.5 and 3.7 days I am still a paid subscriber but most of my usage is claude code now becaue Windsurf does not Sonnet 4 included in their plan.

Fethbita 1y ago

Windsurf was also used by enterprises because of their on-prem plan. They gutted that after OpenAI acquisition was announced and since then I am sure none of those enterprises that used it will switch to their cloud offering and look for other venues.

vitaflo 1y ago

It’s the modern day dotcom boom and all these agents are the modern day Dreamweaver.

physicles 1y ago

I used it for about six weeks in the spring, at which point I tried cursor and found out that it was far better for my use case (backend Go): better and faster autocomplete that can work across files, less buggy UI, and it actually follows your rules. I’m not bothered by this news — it’d be pretty shortsighted to assume that any of these disposable AI assistants will continue to exist forever.