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Show HN: FlopperZiro – A DIY open-source Flipper Zero clone
- voidUpdate 1y ago> Read rf signal and emulate it or save it I assume it checks that you actually have the licensing requirements to be transmitting on whatever frequency?
- diggan 1y agoWhy not assume people are responsible for following their local laws instead? They're not selling anything, so kind of feels it has to fall on the user, not the person who shares a thing.
- voidUpdate 1y agoBecause people obviously cant be trusted to follow their local laws when using flipper zero-esque devices https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/wall-of-flippers-detects-flipper-zero-bluetooth-spam-attacks/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/wall-of-flipp...
- diggan 1y agoPeople ignoring laws isn't a new thing, does that mean things that could potentially be used for illegal things should be outright outlawed? That article you shared seems to say the problem is bigger than the used hardware even: > Soon after, developer Simon Dankelmann ported the attack to an Android app, allowing people to launch Bluetooth spam attacks without needing a Flipper Zero. How do you solve that without outlawing Android devices? > People using Bluetooth-enabled hearing aids and heart rate monitoring tools also reported disruption, which could put their well-being at risk. This is probably the most bananas part of that article, and it's great that they managed to find these issues in relatively trivial conditions, since the company's own testing apparently doesn't include very basic security checks. If those devices are failing when they aren't connected to the main device, what makes these companies even remotely suitable for building critical devices like that? Who knows how long time it would take to discover these security issues with medical devices if people weren't able to prototype these sort of attacks at home?
- voidUpdate 1y agoThe bluetooth-enabled devices are failing to connect to their devices because of deauth attacks. If you know how to prevent that, I'm sure they'd be happy to implement a fix
- diggan 1y ago> The bluetooth-enabled devices are failing to connect to their devices And that happens in lots of other cases too, when it's too far away, out of battery, damaged, does that mean their vital health devices stop working if that's happening? Sounds like they need to work on reliability if that was true.
- forgetbook 1y agoThis rocks; the idea of flipperzero phoning home is the(my) primary concern given its use case
- jmole 1y agoWhat use case? I got mine to make a backup copy of the remote controls that I'm worried about losing, which happen to be sub-GHz and infrared.
- gaudystead 1y agoWould you be willing to elaborate on the FZ phoning home?
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- bigiain 1y agoThe FZ itself is very unlikely to even be capable of phoning home. I do sometimes wonder how concerned I need to be about the companion app though.
- varenc 1y agoIt's a very dumb device. If you don't put in a separate wifi module it literally has no way to phone home.
- ThrowawayTestr 1y agoThe firmware is open source
- forgetbook 1y agoEdit for all replies: I'm coming from a place of lack of education; it's not that I know FZ is phoning home, it's that I know I wouldn't be able to tell if it was.
- nextlevelwizard 1y ago
- karolist 1y agoThere's also https://capibarazero.com/ https://capibarazero.com/
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- conradev 1y agoI wonder if modern smartphones could bus power one of these in a phone case. I love my Flipper, but it's a chonker and I have to charge it.
- iraton 1y agoYes is possible, it doesn't consume too much, but the hardware remains bulky
- zeroq 1y agoI know this is a hobby project, but the whole appeal of Flipper Zero is that you can get one for $200 and it instantly grants you a seat on Joe Rogan or Shawn Ryan show where you can wave it front of camera, flip a switch and say "all you base are belong to mine".
- segmondy 1y agonope, the whole appeal of flipper zero to me and for my friends is what you can do with it, not that you can get one for $200.
- __float 1y agoIs it not...a bit of both? There's some dollar amount where "what you can do with it" wouldn't make up for the price, no?
- iraton 1y agoyes, but it's not fun
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- 0xdeadbeefbabe 1y agoMr. Ryan hands out gummy bears.
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- Chihuahua0633 1y agoDo this device and the other alternative mentioned (Capibara Zero) have the same level of software support as the Flipper Zero? I imagine the strong community behind the Flipper Zero is a big factor in its ongoing popularity.
- iraton 1y agoExactly, the flipepr have a enormous community that help, beyond all the people that work for flipper. So in this case is no, the software support is not even remotely comparable
- AtariATMHacker 1y ago[dead]
- general1726 1y agoIt is exactly same problem like Raspberry Pi vs all other (cheaper, better) single board computers.
- blacksmith_tb 1y agoExcept the RPi competition isn't better, only cheaper, because it has terrible software; and without a big community, no support?
- buzzerbetrayed 1y agoTotally depends on what “better” means to you and your use case.
- general1726 1y agoHaving a SATA or M2 is something what I would consider definitely better, however software is usually garbage stuck on one specific Linux Kernel and that's the reason why better hardware will never catch on.
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- anfractuosity 1y agoDon't suppose anyone has seen in person one of the clones of the flipper zero that are on Aliexpress?
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- blurbleblurble 1y agoI love the name
- iraton 1y agothanks, i have a lot of fantasy
- Neywiny 1y agoNot seeing it mentioned here but the big difference from a first glance is the RF capability. This is little more than a 433 MHz replay attacker. Maybe you can generate arbitrary data out, as long as it's the ook modulation. I'm sure there's a great use-case for this, but avoid any delusions of grandeur, this is very cut down.
- thekevan 1y ago" Important Notice: This is just a fun project, it was started to pass the time, it is not at all professional and is not intended to be. Is not an alternative for professional device."
- ASalazarMX 1y agoThe title blurb seems to present it as a functional clone, rather than a limited copy. "A Flipper Zero clone, but cheapest, DIY and simply Open Source, made with Arduino IDE" Why not? "A hobby partial Flipper Zero clone, cheaper, DIY and Open Source, made with Arduino IDE" So it doesn't have to be clarified further down. I get that it's not that down, but the title is what will be shared and seen in web previews everywhere. That being said, it looks very cool, and the name is fun.
- iraton 1y agoyes i know that is simply a replay attack, for now i was all that i want, in the future I will see what can be done
- aitacobell 1y agoBut does it look like a Tamagotchi?
- iraton 1y agoIn the first version i added It, probably on the initial commit you can see It, but It have a problem with the microcontroller that i use, so for now i removed it
- boznz 1y agoThe LilyGo T-Embed CC1100 has similar hardware capabilities of the FlipperZero plus WiFi/bluetooth and runs the Bruce Pentest firmware all for under half the price of the flipper. The Bruce firmware works well on it but is not as polished as the flipper zero but both hardware and software are open source and easily modded.
- iraton 1y agoYes i know It, but when i started It this, It didn't exist yet
- boznz 1y agoIts sometimes fun re-inventing the wheel, at least you get to understand it all better.
- libraryatnight 1y agoMy brains the sort of a-hole that only understands if I reinvent it or break it in ways I was told not to.
- cogogo 1y agoI’m not sure I’ll ever understand HN aggression with certain downvotes. This is the OP from Italy and likely English is not their first language. Why is this comment so bad?
- thenthenthen 1y agoThe name alone deserves a project hahah thanks for the laugh
- the__alchemist 1y agoWhat is going on with the PCB? It looks like the soldered several dev boards to a big PCB. I can't think of a good reason to do this.
- kennywinker 1y agoSome good reasons off the top of my head: It’s easier to do pcb-layout wise. Allows you to re-use most components between board revisions, or when you’re done with the project. Probably less ewaste overall because of that.
- dylan604 1y agoI mean, yeah, why not? You take a bunch of off the shelf boards and put them together on the PCB as is. To make a PCB with all of the components on it would not be very DIY. That's a custom board and out of scope for DIY.
- the__alchemist 1y agoIf that is a boundary one sets up for him or herself, then I question why set up that boundary? Is it an identity matter? "I'm a DIYer (maker?), not an engineer. I have have no interest in doing anything deeper." I was thrilled when I learned about the Maker movement; then disappointed after observing that so much of it is done without ambition to learn more, or become better at the craft.
- dylan604 1y agoOkay, have you ever tried to "become better" to the point you researched what would be needed to have a custom PCB built with all of the components on a stock Arduino and any additional shields you might use? You'll see that you will need minimum orders. You'll also have a much more difficult time creating the PCB, as you'll have create all of the traces to connect everything. The method chosen allows for off the shelf components with a much more easily created PCB with minimum traces created connecting pins from shields/LEDs/etc. These will be dirt cheap and can be order in tiny quantities. This is also a hobby project. To custom build a PCB with all of the components brings this into the Kickstarter world of something. So the person can buy <5 PCBs to play with as hobby or attempt to fund say minimum 500-1000 pieces. From TFA: "Important Notice: This is just a fun project, it was started to pass the time, it is not at all professional and is not intended to be. Is not an alternative for professional device." Even with the method chosen, if you think the person did not become better after making the simple PCB or any of the other coding required, you're off your rocker. Every build like this comes with mistakes and learning how to correct them.
- s-mon 1y agoWondering what the hotels in Vegas around Defcon will think of it this year lol.
- seanicus 1y agoAs someone who's been an IT ops support on a hacker-firendly conference, from an admin perspective - not great! But at an operational level our team could just blame Kevin Mitnick (RIP to a real one) for any single thing that we wrong in the building,
- vsviridov 1y agoFlopperOne when? :)
- kevo1ution 1y agoreally excited for the NFC support
- iraton 1y agoi'm working on it but the nfc module that i use have some limitation,let's see what comes out
- net01 1y agoSimilar project https://kiisu.io/kiisu-v4a/ https://kiisu.io/kiisu-v4a/ runs flipper code and modded flipper code