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> I mean, webp was made by Google and we know how many of their heavily promoted creations are dead already... I don't understand this argument. WebP is an alg

> I mean, webp was made by Google and we know how many of their heavily promoted creations are dead already... I don't understand this argument. WebP is an algorithm, not a service. You cannot kill it once it's published.

carra 1y ago
Fair enough. What I meant by this is that, in the end, most software that decides to add webp support is doing it because of the huge push by Google to do so. But if they suddenly change that push to something else then webp might find itself growing more irrelevant.
- nottorp 1y ago
  I didn't know webp was pushed by Google. They should publicize that fact more so people know to avoid the format entirely. What Google pushes is in their self interest and has nothing to do with the good of the unwashed masses.
  - graealex 1y ago
    WebP is basically a single i-frame from the WebM video codec, which literally was developed by Google to avoid paying license cost for H.264. For which they had great incentive. WebP is to WebM what HEIC is to HEVC. You can argue that using free codecs is a collateral benefit here, even though Google did it for selfish reasons. It is not detrimental to the public or the internet.
jacobgkau 1y ago
JPEG XL is similarly an algorithm that's been published, but Google removed it from their browser and Mozilla followed suit, which effectively killed its usefulness as a web-friendly (and, more generally, usable-anywhere) format.
- Vinnl 1y ago
  Some nuance there — it's not dead yet: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/pull/1064 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/pull/1064
  - eviks 1y ago
    Thanks, do you know the status of said safe decoder?
    - Vinnl 1y ago
      I do not, sorry.
  - GCUMstlyHarmls 1y ago
    > the reference decoder, which weighs in at more than 100,000 lines of multithreaded C++. Wow! I have never written a compression codec implementation, but that's kind of staggering.

carra 1y ago

Fair enough. What I meant by this is that, in the end, most software that decides to add webp support is doing it because of the huge push by Google to do so. But if they suddenly change that push to something else then webp might find itself growing more irrelevant.

nottorp 1y ago
I didn't know webp was pushed by Google. They should publicize that fact more so people know to avoid the format entirely. What Google pushes is in their self interest and has nothing to do with the good of the unwashed masses.
- graealex 1y ago
  WebP is basically a single i-frame from the WebM video codec, which literally was developed by Google to avoid paying license cost for H.264. For which they had great incentive. WebP is to WebM what HEIC is to HEVC. You can argue that using free codecs is a collateral benefit here, even though Google did it for selfish reasons. It is not detrimental to the public or the internet.

jacobgkau 1y ago

JPEG XL is similarly an algorithm that's been published, but Google removed it from their browser and Mozilla followed suit, which effectively killed its usefulness as a web-friendly (and, more generally, usable-anywhere) format.

Vinnl 1y ago
Some nuance there — it's not dead yet: https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/pull/1064 https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/pull/1064
- eviks 1y ago
  Thanks, do you know the status of said safe decoder?
  - Vinnl 1y ago
    I do not, sorry.
- GCUMstlyHarmls 1y ago
  > the reference decoder, which weighs in at more than 100,000 lines of multithreaded C++. Wow! I have never written a compression codec implementation, but that's kind of staggering.