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These kind of policies and that amortization tax law for software development will probably encourage quite some exodus of talent. Would it be to Europe or Sout

These kind of policies and that amortization tax law for software development will probably encourage quite some exodus of talent. Would it be to Europe or South East Asia, though?

whatshisface 1y ago
A large part of our talent acquisition would stay home, as the Asian countries, especially China, are expanding their investments. American students would go to work in European universities due to the lesser language barrier. When the US was a developing country a large number of children of wealthy families were sent to study in Europe. I don't think the idea of looking outside the US for knowledge would be natural to many people of this generation. I wonder what the effects on our culture will be - it would certainly reduce the pride.
- Intralexical 1y ago
  I think at least some of them will come up to Canada. No language barrier, and close enough geographically and culturally to keep most of your connections. We pay less but live longer on average. Seeing all this unfold is doing amazing things for our national pride, ironically.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
    Canada is on the brink of serious economic trouble... Recession, housing costs, restricted immigration choices coming soon. This has been brewing for years but the US trade war sped up the timeline. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/high-immigration-is-worsening-canadas-economic-problems-says-report https://nationalpost.com/opinion/high-immigration-is-worseni...
HPsquared 1y ago
USA pays engineers like 3x as much as those places. It's still global brain drain destination #1.
- whatshisface 1y ago
  The US still has the best researchers today too, we're talking about the longer-term effects of anti-science policy in the face of continued development around the world.
- downrightmike 1y ago
  Not if the funding is non-existent. Did you even think before posting?
- exe34 1y ago
  I'm admittedly not very bright, but you could pay me 10x and I still wouldn't go to the US while brown.
- ben_w 1y ago
  What's the lag time on migration statistics? Because, and I say this as one who already decided against the USA in response to Trump's first election, I rather doubt that the new policy of getting in the news for systematically deporting migrants for even minor things — not even offences, theoretically protected things like blogging — is going to put a rather big dent on people willing to go. I mean, right now, I don't even want to visit the US on a holiday, much less live there. And that's without all the people saying "sure, you get paid 3x on paper, but all of it goes on rent and health insurance that doesn't actually pay out when you need it" that also makes it seem a lot less interesting.
- vmchale 1y ago
  For engineers, maybe. But with immigration restrictions, employers can no longer create a workplace where "work with the best in the world" is an attraction.
- GuestFAUniverse 1y ago
  And what do you buy with your "triple" income? A boring mansion, with a boring lawn, in a boring, gated community? -- and all that while the other neighbourhoods are on fire. But at least you can buy $700 sneakers and leave the big garage in style, to work your ass off with a job pretending to "better the world" -- maybe have one or two weeks to fill your social media account with pictures already taken by the millions (you might as well use generative AI). Congrats to your final destination: hell.
biophysboy 1y ago
China's pharma/biotech industry is growing rapidly
vmchale 1y ago
France is explicitly trying to poach researchers. UK is committing higher-ed suicide though it has a better reputation than the US in many ways.

These kind of policies and that amortization tax law for software development will probably encourage quite some exodus of talent. Would it be to Europe or South East Asia, though?

whatshisface 1y ago

A large part of our talent acquisition would stay home, as the Asian countries, especially China, are expanding their investments. American students would go to work in European universities due to the lesser language barrier. When the US was a developing country a large number of children of wealthy families were sent to study in Europe. I don't think the idea of looking outside the US for knowledge would be natural to many people of this generation. I wonder what the effects on our culture will be - it would certainly reduce the pride.

Intralexical 1y ago
I think at least some of them will come up to Canada. No language barrier, and close enough geographically and culturally to keep most of your connections. We pay less but live longer on average. Seeing all this unfold is doing amazing things for our national pride, ironically.
- FuriouslyAdrift 1y ago
  Canada is on the brink of serious economic trouble... Recession, housing costs, restricted immigration choices coming soon. This has been brewing for years but the US trade war sped up the timeline. https://nationalpost.com/opinion/high-immigration-is-worsening-canadas-economic-problems-says-report https://nationalpost.com/opinion/high-immigration-is-worseni...

HPsquared 1y ago

USA pays engineers like 3x as much as those places. It's still global brain drain destination #1.

whatshisface 1y ago
The US still has the best researchers today too, we're talking about the longer-term effects of anti-science policy in the face of continued development around the world.
downrightmike 1y ago
Not if the funding is non-existent. Did you even think before posting?
exe34 1y ago
I'm admittedly not very bright, but you could pay me 10x and I still wouldn't go to the US while brown.
ben_w 1y ago
What's the lag time on migration statistics? Because, and I say this as one who already decided against the USA in response to Trump's first election, I rather doubt that the new policy of getting in the news for systematically deporting migrants for even minor things — not even offences, theoretically protected things like blogging — is going to put a rather big dent on people willing to go. I mean, right now, I don't even want to visit the US on a holiday, much less live there. And that's without all the people saying "sure, you get paid 3x on paper, but all of it goes on rent and health insurance that doesn't actually pay out when you need it" that also makes it seem a lot less interesting.
vmchale 1y ago
For engineers, maybe. But with immigration restrictions, employers can no longer create a workplace where "work with the best in the world" is an attraction.
GuestFAUniverse 1y ago
And what do you buy with your "triple" income? A boring mansion, with a boring lawn, in a boring, gated community? -- and all that while the other neighbourhoods are on fire. But at least you can buy $700 sneakers and leave the big garage in style, to work your ass off with a job pretending to "better the world" -- maybe have one or two weeks to fill your social media account with pictures already taken by the millions (you might as well use generative AI). Congrats to your final destination: hell.

biophysboy 1y ago

China's pharma/biotech industry is growing rapidly

vmchale 1y ago

France is explicitly trying to poach researchers. UK is committing higher-ed suicide though it has a better reputation than the US in many ways.