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You can’t judge battery life and performance off a .0 release when the priority is on delivering features with the minimum number of showstopper bugs. At least

You can’t judge battery life and performance off a .0 release when the priority is on delivering features with the minimum number of showstopper bugs. At least wait until the .1. It has been like this for every Apple release for over 20 years.

TylerE 1y ago
Poor performance of a GUI is a showstopper bug. It should be, anyway.
bigyabai 1y ago
If Apple has been shipping betas for 2 decades that do not meaningfully prepare the release candidate for users, something is horribly wrong. They're either not listening to the feedback they receive or they're not giving themselves enough time; both are firmly within Apple's control.
- 0x457 1y ago
  Well, firstly, this is a developer beta. So the target audience are developers that want to get a head start on getting their app(s) ready. So measuring battery performance of those dev betas is dumb. Also, they do listen to feedback and do gather it. They won't change entire design language now tho.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    The parent comment wasn't talking about the developer beta, they were talking about the .0 release. They should use the release candidates as an opportunity to dogfood new solutions instead of shipping an MVP to prod.
tl 1y ago
Maybe for "Apple", but there's one team that takes performance seriously. The WebKit team has a zero tolerance policy for performance regressions (https://webkit.org/performance/ https://webkit.org/performance/) dating back to the implementation of the Page Load Test in 2002 (Creative Selection, p. 93). WebKit sounds like the kind of scrappy startup Apple might want to acquire and gain some hard-earned engineering knowledge.
- coldtea 1y ago
  >The WebKit team has a zero tolerance policy for performance regressions But apparently they still welcome app-crashing bugs and UI-stalling code!
- MokaAkashiya 1y ago
  WebKit is the only browser that lags when there is too much logs in devtools console on my M1 mac... Pretty funny.
rideontime 1y ago
Maybe we should stop accepting this?
exe34 1y ago
> number of showstopper bugs Screwing with the battery life on a mobile device would be a showstopper bug if Steve were still around.

TylerE 1y ago

Poor performance of a GUI is a showstopper bug. It should be, anyway.

bigyabai 1y ago

If Apple has been shipping betas for 2 decades that do not meaningfully prepare the release candidate for users, something is horribly wrong. They're either not listening to the feedback they receive or they're not giving themselves enough time; both are firmly within Apple's control.

0x457 1y ago
Well, firstly, this is a developer beta. So the target audience are developers that want to get a head start on getting their app(s) ready. So measuring battery performance of those dev betas is dumb. Also, they do listen to feedback and do gather it. They won't change entire design language now tho.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  The parent comment wasn't talking about the developer beta, they were talking about the .0 release. They should use the release candidates as an opportunity to dogfood new solutions instead of shipping an MVP to prod.

tl 1y ago

Maybe for "Apple", but there's one team that takes performance seriously. The WebKit team has a zero tolerance policy for performance regressions (https://webkit.org/performance/ https://webkit.org/performance/) dating back to the implementation of the Page Load Test in 2002 (Creative Selection, p. 93). WebKit sounds like the kind of scrappy startup Apple might want to acquire and gain some hard-earned engineering knowledge.

coldtea 1y ago
>The WebKit team has a zero tolerance policy for performance regressions But apparently they still welcome app-crashing bugs and UI-stalling code!
MokaAkashiya 1y ago
WebKit is the only browser that lags when there is too much logs in devtools console on my M1 mac... Pretty funny.

rideontime 1y ago

Maybe we should stop accepting this?

exe34 1y ago

> number of showstopper bugs Screwing with the battery life on a mobile device would be a showstopper bug if Steve were still around.