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When I look at this data, I see the type of self driving in use, as well as the written narrative of every crash, along with several other fields as REDACTED FO

by armsaw 1y ago

When I look at this data, I see the type of self driving in use, as well as the written narrative of every crash, along with several other fields as REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated. To me, that information would be crucial to understanding what actually happened in each case, as opposed to only being able to understand some of the ambient conditions around each accident.

andsoitis 1y ago
> REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated. Not true. There are many rows for other manufacturers where fields are redacted or blank. For example: - Row 7. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: blank - Row 8. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted - Row 9. Subaru. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted etc.
- armsaw 1y ago
  Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception.
  - andsoitis 1y ago
    > Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception. Again, not true. I just filtered for BMW, and in every single instance, without fail, the ADS/ADAS Version cell is either redacted or blank. I didn't check other manufacturers.
    - zimpenfish 1y ago
      Did a quick check and yeah, there's a lot of redaction/blanks in `ADAS/ADS System Version` Rpts RdBl Pcage Entity 48 12 25.00 Ford Motor Company 18 6 33.33 Rivian Automotive, LLC 10 4 40.00 Volkswagen Group of America, Inc. 29 12 41.38 Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC 38 18 47.37 Lucid USA, Inc. 27 15 55.56 Hyundai Motor America 37 22 59.46 Kia America, Inc. 6 4 66.67 APTIV 6 5 83.33 Porsche Cars North America, Inc. 12 10 83.33 Daimler Trucks North America, LLC 159 156 98.11 Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) 126 124 98.41 Subaru of America, Inc. 3003 3001 99.93 Tesla, Inc. 1 1 100.00 Nuro 2 2 100.00 Mazda North American Operations 6 6 100.00 Chrysler (FCA US, LLC) 71 71 100.00 BMW of North America, LLC
genewitch 1y ago
7 manufacturers don't have that field populated with useful information. I consider 124 out of 126 reports redacted or blank to be close enough to "every single instance" for this argument, for example. Furthermore, over half have over half blank or redacted, and the lowest is 25% missing info. I don't own nor do I want to own a Tesla, but stuff like this is what gets reported and the corrections or actual facts get buried in the resulting noise. I don't really even care that this is about tesla, even. If this was some sort of rendering or CSV error on your part, then that could happen at CBS or msnbc just as easily, and tomorrow the headlines scream "Tesla only automaker shirking reporting responsibilities"

by armsaw 1y ago

andsoitis 1y ago

> REDACTED FOR BUSINESS REASONS, only for Tesla vehicles, where every other manufacturer seems to have these fields populated. Not true. There are many rows for other manufacturers where fields are redacted or blank. For example: - Row 7. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: blank - Row 8. BMW. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted - Row 9. Subaru. ADAS/ADS Version: redacted etc.

armsaw 1y ago
Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception.
- andsoitis 1y ago
  > Granted there are some other rows with missing or incomplete information, but Tesla appears to be the only manufacturer for which this information is withheld in every single instance without exception. Again, not true. I just filtered for BMW, and in every single instance, without fail, the ADS/ADAS Version cell is either redacted or blank. I didn't check other manufacturers.
  - zimpenfish 1y ago
    Did a quick check and yeah, there's a lot of redaction/blanks in `ADAS/ADS System Version` Rpts RdBl Pcage Entity 48 12 25.00 Ford Motor Company 18 6 33.33 Rivian Automotive, LLC 10 4 40.00 Volkswagen Group of America, Inc. 29 12 41.38 Mercedes-Benz USA, LLC 38 18 47.37 Lucid USA, Inc. 27 15 55.56 Hyundai Motor America 37 22 59.46 Kia America, Inc. 6 4 66.67 APTIV 6 5 83.33 Porsche Cars North America, Inc. 12 10 83.33 Daimler Trucks North America, LLC 159 156 98.11 Honda (American Honda Motor Co.) 126 124 98.41 Subaru of America, Inc. 3003 3001 99.93 Tesla, Inc. 1 1 100.00 Nuro 2 2 100.00 Mazda North American Operations 6 6 100.00 Chrysler (FCA US, LLC) 71 71 100.00 BMW of North America, LLC

genewitch 1y ago

7 manufacturers don't have that field populated with useful information. I consider 124 out of 126 reports redacted or blank to be close enough to "every single instance" for this argument, for example. Furthermore, over half have over half blank or redacted, and the lowest is 25% missing info. I don't own nor do I want to own a Tesla, but stuff like this is what gets reported and the corrections or actual facts get buried in the resulting noise. I don't really even care that this is about tesla, even. If this was some sort of rendering or CSV error on your part, then that could happen at CBS or msnbc just as easily, and tomorrow the headlines scream "Tesla only automaker shirking reporting responsibilities"