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Your impression is mistaken. E.g. Girl Scouts: allowed to be girls only Boy Scouts: now “Scouting” because girls are allowed My intramural sports in college

Your impression is mistaken. E.g. Girl Scouts: allowed to be girls only Boy Scouts: now “Scouting” because girls are allowed My intramural sports in college had coed and women only teams

compass_copium 1y ago
BSA made the decision to allow girls on their own and it's been fantastic for the program.
- bluefirebrand 1y ago
  You actually think this organization made this decision on their own with no outside pressure, or internal pressure from women? I have a bridge to sell you
  - dralley 1y ago
    The "external pressure" was largely just the pressure of declining membership.
    - bluefirebrand 1y ago
      What pressure led to declining membership? Did it have anything to do with "Boy Scouts is a sexist organization" narratives?
      - mrguyorama 1y ago
        Uh, no, I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but the primary reason was because the boy scouts have rampant sex abuse scandals like the catholic priesthood. Also Tiktok means fewer young boys so bored that they set things on fire.
        bluefirebrand 1y ago
        Ah yes Opening up the organization to young girls as well seems like exactly the right fix for Rampant sex abuse scandals That's how I would fix that problem too
    - nothercastle 1y ago
      Nah these decisions actually resulted in membership declines because they lost the Mormon population and with them a huge chunk of the patrons
      - dralley 1y ago
        I'm pretty sure you have the order reversed. They were already losing the mormons.
    - steveBK123 1y ago
      I mean if we are talking about BSA declining membership, one pretty large reason could be... https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-246-billion-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-settlement-proceed-2024-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-246-bill...
craftkiller 1y ago
Those two scouts programs aren't even remotely comparable, both in substance and prestige. Many girl scout troops barely did any camping/outdoor activity, whereas boys got to earn the prestige of "eagle scout" and go on various outdoor adventures (multi-day treks through the mountains, building igloos and camping inside them, camping on an island only accessible by a canoe, etc). It was a tragedy that girls didn't have the opportunities available to boys. (Source: My sister and her friends were the type that would have thrived in boy scouts, but they had to join a "venture crew" run by the same scout leader as our boy scout troop)
- lupusreal 1y ago
  Whether a boyscout group sits around and does lame crafts or goes into the woods to start fires and hit each other with sticks is entirely down to the leadership (boys and adults) in that troop. So to is it with girlscouts. There is nothing intrinsic about boyscouts that makes it more exciting, except that it was lead by guys.
  - 1659447091 1y ago
    > There is nothing intrinsic about boyscouts that makes it more exciting The chance to obtain Eagle Scout status is itself more exciting. It difficult to deny that it is one of the best leadership programs for children available. The girl scout equivalent is not even close to producing the leaders the Eagle Scouts do. They also have their own network for eagle scouts to connect. It can be an opportunity to get into a Good ‘ol Boys club (future business & money connections) before moving out of their parent’s house. If a male or female wants to learn more about extracting money from family/shoppers by selling cases of cookies, or learn about female social empowerment and financial skill, instead of learning leadership through self reliance/accountability skills mixed with teamwork, then why not let them choose the programs they want? -- but they are different. Their Gold Award is nothing like earning Eagle Scout status.
    - lupusreal 1y ago
      The credentials and awards is definitely the least important aspect of boyscouts. As for leadership learning opportunities, there is no reason the girl scouts couldn't have this too.

Your impression is mistaken. E.g. Girl Scouts: allowed to be girls only Boy Scouts: now “Scouting” because girls are allowed My intramural sports in college had coed and women only teams

compass_copium 1y ago

BSA made the decision to allow girls on their own and it's been fantastic for the program.

bluefirebrand 1y ago
You actually think this organization made this decision on their own with no outside pressure, or internal pressure from women? I have a bridge to sell you
- dralley 1y ago
  The "external pressure" was largely just the pressure of declining membership.
  - bluefirebrand 1y ago
    What pressure led to declining membership? Did it have anything to do with "Boy Scouts is a sexist organization" narratives?
    - mrguyorama 1y ago
      Uh, no, I'm sorry you had to find out this way, but the primary reason was because the boy scouts have rampant sex abuse scandals like the catholic priesthood. Also Tiktok means fewer young boys so bored that they set things on fire.
      - bluefirebrand 1y ago
        Ah yes Opening up the organization to young girls as well seems like exactly the right fix for Rampant sex abuse scandals That's how I would fix that problem too
  - nothercastle 1y ago
    Nah these decisions actually resulted in membership declines because they lost the Mormon population and with them a huge chunk of the patrons
    - dralley 1y ago
      I'm pretty sure you have the order reversed. They were already losing the mormons.
  - steveBK123 1y ago
    I mean if we are talking about BSA declining membership, one pretty large reason could be... https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-246-billion-boy-scouts-sex-abuse-settlement-proceed-2024-02-22/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-court-lets-246-bill...

craftkiller 1y ago

Those two scouts programs aren't even remotely comparable, both in substance and prestige. Many girl scout troops barely did any camping/outdoor activity, whereas boys got to earn the prestige of "eagle scout" and go on various outdoor adventures (multi-day treks through the mountains, building igloos and camping inside them, camping on an island only accessible by a canoe, etc). It was a tragedy that girls didn't have the opportunities available to boys. (Source: My sister and her friends were the type that would have thrived in boy scouts, but they had to join a "venture crew" run by the same scout leader as our boy scout troop)

lupusreal 1y ago
Whether a boyscout group sits around and does lame crafts or goes into the woods to start fires and hit each other with sticks is entirely down to the leadership (boys and adults) in that troop. So to is it with girlscouts. There is nothing intrinsic about boyscouts that makes it more exciting, except that it was lead by guys.
- 1659447091 1y ago
  > There is nothing intrinsic about boyscouts that makes it more exciting The chance to obtain Eagle Scout status is itself more exciting. It difficult to deny that it is one of the best leadership programs for children available. The girl scout equivalent is not even close to producing the leaders the Eagle Scouts do. They also have their own network for eagle scouts to connect. It can be an opportunity to get into a Good ‘ol Boys club (future business & money connections) before moving out of their parent’s house. If a male or female wants to learn more about extracting money from family/shoppers by selling cases of cookies, or learn about female social empowerment and financial skill, instead of learning leadership through self reliance/accountability skills mixed with teamwork, then why not let them choose the programs they want? -- but they are different. Their Gold Award is nothing like earning Eagle Scout status.
  - lupusreal 1y ago
    The credentials and awards is definitely the least important aspect of boyscouts. As for leadership learning opportunities, there is no reason the girl scouts couldn't have this too.