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I had no idea that piece of shit was associated with Ford at all.

by ngangaga 1y ago

forinti 1y ago
He talks about it in The Fog of War (which is not going to make you change your ideia about him).
- adamcharnock 1y ago
  The Fog of War is definitely worth a watch. It was a fairly harrowing experience when I saw it. Actually, it is probably one of the hardest films I have watched. He clearly details the war crimes he presided over, and is open about the fact that he would have been tried as a war criminal had they lost. He also pioneered the use of seat belts while at Ford. Which does make the morality-math a little more unusual.
  - joecool1029 1y ago
    > He also pioneered the use of seat belts while at Ford. Which does make the morality-math a little more unusual. Is it unusual? A surviving driver from a car wreck needs a new car. Dead ones don't.
    - aitchnyu 1y ago
      Lee Iococca from Chrysler wrote his seatbelt campaign can be countered by an anecdote of a person safely ejected into the grass and car falling off a cliff. I swear some brands are thriving on warm feelings.
  - nativeit 1y ago
    To be clear, while McNamara was an advocate for seat belts, he wasn’t particularly instrumental in their development or adoption. In 1955 he introduced a paid option for Ford vehicles that included seat belts. But the option wasn’t popular with consumers, only 2% of new Fords the following year had it installed. Saab was the first to include them as standard equipment in 1958, with Volvo introducing the modern 3-point seatbelts as standard equipment the following year. They remained unpopular in the US until after Ralph Nader’s 1965 book Unsafe At Any Speed which became a bestseller and prompted congress to pass the National Traffic & Motor Safety Act in 1966, and ultimately were made compulsory by states (presumably under a lot of lobbying pressure from insurers) starting in 1970.
psunavy03 1y ago
That's how he got to DOD in the first place, by being the stereotypical "businessman who will clean up government." DOGE was not the first time politicans have talked about this kind of thing; it comes along every 20-30 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(Department_of_Defense) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(Department_of_Defen...
- dghlsakjg 1y ago
  GWB was another one. The period seems to be shortening in the modern era.

I had no idea that piece of shit was associated with Ford at all.

forinti 1y ago

He talks about it in The Fog of War (which is not going to make you change your ideia about him).

adamcharnock 1y ago
The Fog of War is definitely worth a watch. It was a fairly harrowing experience when I saw it. Actually, it is probably one of the hardest films I have watched. He clearly details the war crimes he presided over, and is open about the fact that he would have been tried as a war criminal had they lost. He also pioneered the use of seat belts while at Ford. Which does make the morality-math a little more unusual.
- joecool1029 1y ago
  > He also pioneered the use of seat belts while at Ford. Which does make the morality-math a little more unusual. Is it unusual? A surviving driver from a car wreck needs a new car. Dead ones don't.
  - aitchnyu 1y ago
    Lee Iococca from Chrysler wrote his seatbelt campaign can be countered by an anecdote of a person safely ejected into the grass and car falling off a cliff. I swear some brands are thriving on warm feelings.
- nativeit 1y ago
  To be clear, while McNamara was an advocate for seat belts, he wasn’t particularly instrumental in their development or adoption. In 1955 he introduced a paid option for Ford vehicles that included seat belts. But the option wasn’t popular with consumers, only 2% of new Fords the following year had it installed. Saab was the first to include them as standard equipment in 1958, with Volvo introducing the modern 3-point seatbelts as standard equipment the following year. They remained unpopular in the US until after Ralph Nader’s 1965 book Unsafe At Any Speed which became a bestseller and prompted congress to pass the National Traffic & Motor Safety Act in 1966, and ultimately were made compulsory by states (presumably under a lot of lobbying pressure from insurers) starting in 1970.

psunavy03 1y ago

That's how he got to DOD in the first place, by being the stereotypical "businessman who will clean up government." DOGE was not the first time politicans have talked about this kind of thing; it comes along every 20-30 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(Department_of_Defense) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiz_Kids_(Department_of_Defen...

dghlsakjg 1y ago
GWB was another one. The period seems to be shortening in the modern era.