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Gilead might be in for empty shelves like Venezuela and Cuba :-D

duxup 1y ago
I'll be sad, but amused, when Trump and Co declare that each state should build factories to fill their needs for basic products ... similar to proposals made during the economic collapse days in Venezuela.
- taylodl 1y ago
  The United States has never had such incompetence in governance. Americans aren't accustomed to this degree of ineptness.
  - dylan604 1y ago
    Everyone made fun of W about being the least competent, but then the GOP went and collectively said "hold my beer". Twice.
  - bilbo0s 1y ago
    It's surprising that we would actually vote for this of our own free will. That's gotta be something historians will puzzle over for the next two hundred years. It's mind blowing that we did that. Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than that, and even the challengers were like, DeSantis and Haley? It was corruption and ineptitude the entire way down. How could that have happened?
    - unethical_ban 1y ago
      The two party system, forced on us by plurality voting, is the reason people feel they don't have a choice. Pick one of two very different sides. If a third candidate tries to enter the race, they harm themselves and the person they are similar to, and they help the opposition. Any form of ranked voting will rid us of this restriction and allow more candidates to run for an office, and allow citizens to vote their true preference. Yesterday, HR 3040 was introduced by a GOP member from Arizona, which intends to ban ranked choice voting from federal elections. The GOP has already banned it in the state of Florida. A radical party is terrified of a system that enables more electoral competition and throttles radicalism.
      - School-Cotton 1y ago
        No idea why you got downvoted. This is exactly the answer.
        unethical_ban 1y ago
        The only "non-objective" component of my comment is the analysis of the GOP's motives to stop voting reform.
      - taylodl 1y ago
        What you're talking about is known as Duverger's Law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law
        unethical_ban 1y ago
        Yep! And the "spoiler effect" is when a voting system fails to meet the "independence of clones" criterion. In an election, the addition of a candidate similar to an existing candidate should not adversely impact both candidates.
      - nradov 1y ago
        Right. The last serious third-party presidential candidate was Ross Perot in 1992. In terms of political platform and voter appeal he was slightly more similar to the incumbent Republican candidate George H. W. Bush, which probably enabled the Democrat candidate Bill Clinton to win (although it's impossible to know what would have happened if Perot didn't run). Some political analysts claim that Perot entered the race not really intending to win but rather as retribution against Bush. In 1979 the Iranian regime imprisoned two of Perot's EDS employees. Perot asked Bush, who was then Director of the CIA, to get them out. Bush refused to act and Perot held a grudge against him ever since.
        Ccecil 1y ago
        "In 1979 the Iranian regime imprisoned two of Perot's EDS employees. Perot asked Bush, who was then Director of the CIA, to get them out" Most interesting part of that story is that once the government failed to help he organized and trained his own operation and successfully extracted his employees. edit: https://www.rossperot.com/life-story/iran-hostage-rescue https://www.rossperot.com/life-story/iran-hostage-rescue
    - yks 1y ago
      > Harris, Vance and Trump Oh ffs, Harris in charge would've been just fine. If we're talking about economy/stock market only, even Vance as president would've been fine as well, although he'd destroy American democracy way more efficiently than Trump.
    - dudinax 1y ago
      Trump had much superior social media targeting. Muslims in Michegan were convinced Harris is a genocidal maniac, while most everybody else heard she was in bed with hamas. Liberal suburban housewives heard she was a merciless prosecutor while others learned she was soft on crime.
    - parineum 1y ago
      > Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than that, and even the challengers were like, DeSantis and Haley? I guess you forgot about the corpse of Biden. Harris belongs in that "challengers" category except she had less support than DeSantis and Haley (from both Democrats and Republicans!). Harris has never received a vote in a presidential primary. The Democratic party enabled Trump to win by not forcing a clearly incapable Biden out of the race earlier, allowing them to run an actual primary and then choosing a terrible candidate because they backed themselves into a corner with identity politics. Remember, the Democratic party was totally fine with Biden until he was forced in front of the American people and they got as good of a look at him as the party had. That's how our system produces these horrible candidates. Each party acts in their own self-interest because they have a stranglehold over the electoral process.
      - 999900000999 1y ago
        It started in 2008. The Democratic party tried to rig it for Clinton. I'm sure she's a wonderful person in real life, but she's one of the most unpopular people to ever run for office. Obama actually is likeable, easily winning the primary and both elections. The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win. Biden was a rigged candidate too, but the pandemic swayed things in his direction. With Harris, the Dems decide to skip the rigged primary, the little people (the actual voters) don't need to have a say. Here's your moderate Republican from the mid 90s. At least the Republicans didn't rig every primary they've had since 2008. They don't play the super delegate dance. Well... Time to try and establish residency elsewhere.
        aweiland 1y ago
        They did cancel some primaries in 2019 to protect Trump or at least his feelings. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel-primaries-trump-challengers-1483126 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel...
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  - dowager_dan99 1y ago
    His most die-hard supporters will hang on to the bitter end - and they're the least capable of doing so. I've gone from mocking them => feeling sorry for them => fear them - these people are definitely not harmless. these are sad/scary times.
- Loughla 1y ago
  I had a conversation with someone who I usually respect, and would say is an intelligent person. He's a trump supporter for the manufacturing support. He said, "It's just not that hard to get these factories back to the states. We can get that done this month." The amount of cognitive dissonance and just outright believing the lies is astounding. Trump won't say that states need to build those factories. He'll tell governors that they're failures for not having done it already.
  - bjourne 1y ago
    He's not wrong. It is technically possible. However, transforming the US into a command economy may not be the best thing to do.
    - ajmurmann 1y ago
      We can build a factory in a month, including permitting, acquiring the land, planning the building and constucting it, as well as procuring or building the machinery and setting it up in the factory, programming it and hiring and training the workforce during high employment? That's very impressive!
      - masfuerte 1y ago
        High employment isn't going to be a blocker for much longer.
      - lesuorac 1y ago
        Perhaps not a month but the US really can build things fast if that's actually prioritized. https://www.globalhighways.com/wh10/feature/building-replacement-bridge-record-time https://www.globalhighways.com/wh10/feature/building-replace... tbh, as far as I'm concerned the hollowing out of the USG is why we can't do things fast. How many times has your boss had the entire team submit a proposal on how long it would take each member of the team to complete a JIRA ticket and then use that bidding as to who to assign the ticket? Like if you could build bridges and stuff in-house then you really speed things up. Given that something like a factory is probably going to require eminent domain to get a large contiguous tract (or built in the middle of nowhere so no counter-lawsuit) it seems fine for the government to build the shell of a building and then sell it off to be customized.

I'll be sad, but amused, when Trump and Co declare that each state should build factories to fill their needs for basic products ... similar to proposals made during the economic collapse days in Venezuela.

taylodl 1y ago
The United States has never had such incompetence in governance. Americans aren't accustomed to this degree of ineptness.
- dylan604 1y ago
  Everyone made fun of W about being the least competent, but then the GOP went and collectively said "hold my beer". Twice.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  It's surprising that we would actually vote for this of our own free will. That's gotta be something historians will puzzle over for the next two hundred years. It's mind blowing that we did that. Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than that, and even the challengers were like, DeSantis and Haley? It was corruption and ineptitude the entire way down. How could that have happened?
  - unethical_ban 1y ago
    The two party system, forced on us by plurality voting, is the reason people feel they don't have a choice. Pick one of two very different sides. If a third candidate tries to enter the race, they harm themselves and the person they are similar to, and they help the opposition. Any form of ranked voting will rid us of this restriction and allow more candidates to run for an office, and allow citizens to vote their true preference. Yesterday, HR 3040 was introduced by a GOP member from Arizona, which intends to ban ranked choice voting from federal elections. The GOP has already banned it in the state of Florida. A radical party is terrified of a system that enables more electoral competition and throttles radicalism.
    - School-Cotton 1y ago
      No idea why you got downvoted. This is exactly the answer.
      - unethical_ban 1y ago
        The only "non-objective" component of my comment is the analysis of the GOP's motives to stop voting reform.
    - taylodl 1y ago
      What you're talking about is known as Duverger's Law - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duverger's_law
      - unethical_ban 1y ago
        Yep! And the "spoiler effect" is when a voting system fails to meet the "independence of clones" criterion. In an election, the addition of a candidate similar to an existing candidate should not adversely impact both candidates.
    - nradov 1y ago
      Right. The last serious third-party presidential candidate was Ross Perot in 1992. In terms of political platform and voter appeal he was slightly more similar to the incumbent Republican candidate George H. W. Bush, which probably enabled the Democrat candidate Bill Clinton to win (although it's impossible to know what would have happened if Perot didn't run). Some political analysts claim that Perot entered the race not really intending to win but rather as retribution against Bush. In 1979 the Iranian regime imprisoned two of Perot's EDS employees. Perot asked Bush, who was then Director of the CIA, to get them out. Bush refused to act and Perot held a grudge against him ever since.
      - Ccecil 1y ago
        "In 1979 the Iranian regime imprisoned two of Perot's EDS employees. Perot asked Bush, who was then Director of the CIA, to get them out" Most interesting part of that story is that once the government failed to help he organized and trained his own operation and successfully extracted his employees. edit: https://www.rossperot.com/life-story/iran-hostage-rescue https://www.rossperot.com/life-story/iran-hostage-rescue
  - yks 1y ago
    > Harris, Vance and Trump Oh ffs, Harris in charge would've been just fine. If we're talking about economy/stock market only, even Vance as president would've been fine as well, although he'd destroy American democracy way more efficiently than Trump.
  - dudinax 1y ago
    Trump had much superior social media targeting. Muslims in Michegan were convinced Harris is a genocidal maniac, while most everybody else heard she was in bed with hamas. Liberal suburban housewives heard she was a merciless prosecutor while others learned she was soft on crime.
  - parineum 1y ago
    > Stepping a level lower even, how, on Earth, could our system possibly have produced Harris, Vance and Trump as the options? Then you step a level lower than that, and even the challengers were like, DeSantis and Haley? I guess you forgot about the corpse of Biden. Harris belongs in that "challengers" category except she had less support than DeSantis and Haley (from both Democrats and Republicans!). Harris has never received a vote in a presidential primary. The Democratic party enabled Trump to win by not forcing a clearly incapable Biden out of the race earlier, allowing them to run an actual primary and then choosing a terrible candidate because they backed themselves into a corner with identity politics. Remember, the Democratic party was totally fine with Biden until he was forced in front of the American people and they got as good of a look at him as the party had. That's how our system produces these horrible candidates. Each party acts in their own self-interest because they have a stranglehold over the electoral process.
    - 999900000999 1y ago
      It started in 2008. The Democratic party tried to rig it for Clinton. I'm sure she's a wonderful person in real life, but she's one of the most unpopular people to ever run for office. Obama actually is likeable, easily winning the primary and both elections. The Dems, because deep down they'd rather have the GOP over real progressives. Decided to rig it for Hillary again in 2016. Sanders had an actual base, but the DNC didn't want him to win. Biden was a rigged candidate too, but the pandemic swayed things in his direction. With Harris, the Dems decide to skip the rigged primary, the little people (the actual voters) don't need to have a say. Here's your moderate Republican from the mid 90s. At least the Republicans didn't rig every primary they've had since 2008. They don't play the super delegate dance. Well... Time to try and establish residency elsewhere.
      - aweiland 1y ago
        They did cancel some primaries in 2019 to protect Trump or at least his feelings. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel-primaries-trump-challengers-1483126 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/09/06/republicans-cancel...
  - deleted 1y ago
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- dowager_dan99 1y ago
  His most die-hard supporters will hang on to the bitter end - and they're the least capable of doing so. I've gone from mocking them => feeling sorry for them => fear them - these people are definitely not harmless. these are sad/scary times.
Loughla 1y ago
I had a conversation with someone who I usually respect, and would say is an intelligent person. He's a trump supporter for the manufacturing support. He said, "It's just not that hard to get these factories back to the states. We can get that done this month." The amount of cognitive dissonance and just outright believing the lies is astounding. Trump won't say that states need to build those factories. He'll tell governors that they're failures for not having done it already.
- bjourne 1y ago
  He's not wrong. It is technically possible. However, transforming the US into a command economy may not be the best thing to do.
  - ajmurmann 1y ago
    We can build a factory in a month, including permitting, acquiring the land, planning the building and constucting it, as well as procuring or building the machinery and setting it up in the factory, programming it and hiring and training the workforce during high employment? That's very impressive!
    - masfuerte 1y ago
      High employment isn't going to be a blocker for much longer.
    - lesuorac 1y ago
      Perhaps not a month but the US really can build things fast if that's actually prioritized. https://www.globalhighways.com/wh10/feature/building-replacement-bridge-record-time https://www.globalhighways.com/wh10/feature/building-replace... tbh, as far as I'm concerned the hollowing out of the USG is why we can't do things fast. How many times has your boss had the entire team submit a proposal on how long it would take each member of the team to complete a JIRA ticket and then use that bidding as to who to assign the ticket? Like if you could build bridges and stuff in-house then you really speed things up. Given that something like a factory is probably going to require eminent domain to get a large contiguous tract (or built in the middle of nowhere so no counter-lawsuit) it seems fine for the government to build the shell of a building and then sell it off to be customized.