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Do their stats include the guy who forgets to take it every third day, or is that part of the 1%?

Loughla 1y ago
Like Richard Hammond said, if I was a woman, I'd be pregnant a lot. I'm terrible at remembering to take pills. Maybe it's because they're pretty low stakes?
- NegativeK 1y ago
  It's not hard to set up nearly fault proof routines and reminders. For example, I have a pill container for the days of the week. Pills go directly into my pocket and don't come out unless they're going in my mouth (almost always during breakfast.) The pocket to mouth routine makes sure I don't set them down somewhere and the pill box gives proof later that I took them.
  - niek_pas 1y ago
    It’s not hard _for you_.
    - nmca 1y ago
      Only tangentially related really but almost all of the variance I have ever observed in ability to remember things like this is just trying at all to use a mnemonic or routine. The above routine is a specific practice to remember something — I basically think it would be effective for anyone that actually did it, and almost all non-adherence would be at step zero.
badgersnake 1y ago
This is why it won’t succeed. The person getting pregnant is going to want some proof that the contraception is being used properly. And that means something that they can see or something that they do themselves.
- Cthulhu_ 1y ago
  Exactly. I'm confident women worry a lot more about getting pregnant than men worry about getting someone pregnant.
  - crazygringo 1y ago
    You don't think men worry about having a kid with someone they don't want to, being responsible for 18 years of child support, making hard decisions about whether they want to be involved in the kid's life, etc.? Men are terrified of getting someone pregnant. At least women have a choice as to what to do about it. If they don't want to keep it, they don't, assuming the law permits it or the law is easy to get around. Men don't ever have that choice.
  - giantg2 1y ago
    Anecdotal polling from my peer group strongly suggests you are wrong. Every guy I know would rather be responsible for taking an equivalent pill than the woman taking it. Every single one of us has experienced one or more women who missed taking the pill a day here or there and those women weren't that concerned about it. As an add-on (depending on jurisdiction), women have the backup of the abortion decision whereas men do not.
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- adrianmonk 1y ago
  That's a solid argument for why a male birth control pill won't substitute for a female birth control pill. But I don't think it needs to in order to succeed. For women, the stakes are higher. For men, they're still high enough. There's no reason both people can't be on the pill. Yes, it's a bit redundant, but when your goal is safety, redundancy is usually good. "Trust me, babe, you won't get pregnant because I'm on the (male) pill!" is going to be tough sell in the bedroom. But "guys, control your own fate with a once-daily pill!" will be an easy sell in the inevitable TV ads.
- giantg2 1y ago
  I would agree for casual sex, but I don't think this stays true for committed relationships.
patall 1y ago
It's a mouse and NHP (non-human primate) study
askonomm 1y ago
I know plenty women who also forget to take it every day.

Like Richard Hammond said, if I was a woman, I'd be pregnant a lot. I'm terrible at remembering to take pills. Maybe it's because they're pretty low stakes?

NegativeK 1y ago
It's not hard to set up nearly fault proof routines and reminders. For example, I have a pill container for the days of the week. Pills go directly into my pocket and don't come out unless they're going in my mouth (almost always during breakfast.) The pocket to mouth routine makes sure I don't set them down somewhere and the pill box gives proof later that I took them.
- niek_pas 1y ago
  It’s not hard _for you_.
  - nmca 1y ago
    Only tangentially related really but almost all of the variance I have ever observed in ability to remember things like this is just trying at all to use a mnemonic or routine. The above routine is a specific practice to remember something — I basically think it would be effective for anyone that actually did it, and almost all non-adherence would be at step zero.

badgersnake 1y ago

This is why it won’t succeed. The person getting pregnant is going to want some proof that the contraception is being used properly. And that means something that they can see or something that they do themselves.

Cthulhu_ 1y ago
Exactly. I'm confident women worry a lot more about getting pregnant than men worry about getting someone pregnant.
- crazygringo 1y ago
  You don't think men worry about having a kid with someone they don't want to, being responsible for 18 years of child support, making hard decisions about whether they want to be involved in the kid's life, etc.? Men are terrified of getting someone pregnant. At least women have a choice as to what to do about it. If they don't want to keep it, they don't, assuming the law permits it or the law is easy to get around. Men don't ever have that choice.
- giantg2 1y ago
  Anecdotal polling from my peer group strongly suggests you are wrong. Every guy I know would rather be responsible for taking an equivalent pill than the woman taking it. Every single one of us has experienced one or more women who missed taking the pill a day here or there and those women weren't that concerned about it. As an add-on (depending on jurisdiction), women have the backup of the abortion decision whereas men do not.
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adrianmonk 1y ago
That's a solid argument for why a male birth control pill won't substitute for a female birth control pill. But I don't think it needs to in order to succeed. For women, the stakes are higher. For men, they're still high enough. There's no reason both people can't be on the pill. Yes, it's a bit redundant, but when your goal is safety, redundancy is usually good. "Trust me, babe, you won't get pregnant because I'm on the (male) pill!" is going to be tough sell in the bedroom. But "guys, control your own fate with a once-daily pill!" will be an easy sell in the inevitable TV ads.
giantg2 1y ago
I would agree for casual sex, but I don't think this stays true for committed relationships.

patall 1y ago

It's a mouse and NHP (non-human primate) study

askonomm 1y ago

I know plenty women who also forget to take it every day.