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I'm wondering where the "forks" translation came from in the first place. Google Translate used to be fairly reliable for simple translations, but I've seen sev

by frnx 1y ago

I'm wondering where the "forks" translation came from in the first place. Google Translate used to be fairly reliable for simple translations, but I've seen several examples in the last couple of years where it goes batshit crazy, including starting to loop hallucinating sentences on repeat. Is absolutely nobody checking how well it performs before deploying nowadays?

cryptonector 1y ago
There is no "yes" in Spanish. Reminds me of Inodoro Pereira, a comic strip character in Argentina who was a peon in the countryside and rather ignorant, and he'd sometimes respond affirmatively with "yes como dijo un tal Chespier" ("Yes, as some Shaespier once said").
- doubletwoyou 1y ago
  really? i thought that was a latin problem (sic) doesn’t spanish have sí? or is it something like portuguese where the verb conjugated to an affirmation is preferred over something like sí?
  - pilaf 1y ago
    OP meant that "yes" is not a word in Spanish. The word "sí" is indeed the affirmative and it's used mostly the same as yes in English.
    - doubletwoyou 1y ago
      oh, I see now! that makes more sense when I reread it.
  - cryptonector 1y ago
    The comic strip character was acting all knowledgeable by quoting Shakespeare as saying "yes" when the character meant "sí", but misspelling Shakespeare's name as "Chespier", something like misspelling it "Shaespier" in English.
o11c 1y ago
Probably, interpreting "Yes" as the plural of "Y-junction of a path".
shadowgovt 1y ago
If you have a plan for automated checking the output of Google Translate against all possible character input strings, be sure to mention it to your recruiter as part of the hiring process. More seriously: Google Translate's bread-and-butter data source is documents that were human-translated from one language to another with high reliability (such as UN publications). That turns out to work remarkably well for building a neural net that can extrapolate how one sentence should translate to the same sentence in another language. But like most neural networks, it's vulnerable to garbage-in, garbage-out: much like you can get an animal detector to hallucinate "zebra!" if you feed it a noise-pattern as input, if you feed it character sequences that aren't actually words in the input language, it'll try to extrapolate what reality should be between all the corpus it's seen and you'll get garbage on the output side. Since the tool doesn't actually know what words mean, it has no way, at present, to know "Yes" isn't a Spanish word (and as other commenters have mentioned, it may actually be "a Spanish word" in one weird context in one weird document somewhere in the corpus of all translated documents accessible from the Internet... Or some doc somewhere contains a close-enough typo in the Spanish input document that is over-reflected in the output because no other document contradicts the typo's apparent translation).
justusthane 1y ago
Explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43491450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43491450

by frnx 1y ago

cryptonector 1y ago

There is no "yes" in Spanish. Reminds me of Inodoro Pereira, a comic strip character in Argentina who was a peon in the countryside and rather ignorant, and he'd sometimes respond affirmatively with "yes como dijo un tal Chespier" ("Yes, as some Shaespier once said").

doubletwoyou 1y ago
really? i thought that was a latin problem (sic) doesn’t spanish have sí? or is it something like portuguese where the verb conjugated to an affirmation is preferred over something like sí?
- pilaf 1y ago
  OP meant that "yes" is not a word in Spanish. The word "sí" is indeed the affirmative and it's used mostly the same as yes in English.
  - doubletwoyou 1y ago
    oh, I see now! that makes more sense when I reread it.
- cryptonector 1y ago
  The comic strip character was acting all knowledgeable by quoting Shakespeare as saying "yes" when the character meant "sí", but misspelling Shakespeare's name as "Chespier", something like misspelling it "Shaespier" in English.

o11c 1y ago

Probably, interpreting "Yes" as the plural of "Y-junction of a path".

shadowgovt 1y ago

If you have a plan for automated checking the output of Google Translate against all possible character input strings, be sure to mention it to your recruiter as part of the hiring process. More seriously: Google Translate's bread-and-butter data source is documents that were human-translated from one language to another with high reliability (such as UN publications). That turns out to work remarkably well for building a neural net that can extrapolate how one sentence should translate to the same sentence in another language. But like most neural networks, it's vulnerable to garbage-in, garbage-out: much like you can get an animal detector to hallucinate "zebra!" if you feed it a noise-pattern as input, if you feed it character sequences that aren't actually words in the input language, it'll try to extrapolate what reality should be between all the corpus it's seen and you'll get garbage on the output side. Since the tool doesn't actually know what words mean, it has no way, at present, to know "Yes" isn't a Spanish word (and as other commenters have mentioned, it may actually be "a Spanish word" in one weird context in one weird document somewhere in the corpus of all translated documents accessible from the Internet... Or some doc somewhere contains a close-enough typo in the Spanish input document that is over-reflected in the output because no other document contradicts the typo's apparent translation).

justusthane 1y ago

Explanation here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43491450 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43491450