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I'm not really sure how you're implementing scrum. Our scrum standups are always just the programmers, once a day in the mornings, and are used to keep all the

I'm not really sure how you're implementing scrum. Our scrum standups are always just the programmers, once a day in the mornings, and are used to keep all the programmers on the same page and talk to each other to find out if features might have a codependency, or if other blockers can be solved by something else another dev is working on. There's no "watching" of people or "intimidation". You might want to speak to your manager next time something like that is happening, because there's no way it can be good for your productivity or the other people on your team. It's certainly not a normal practice. At the very worst, if someone isn't pulling their weight they should be dealt with in private.

darkarmani 14y ago
Yeah, but next you'll tell us at your standups you actually stood up. No one gave me an answer when I asked why they called our meeting standup meetings.
- NinetyNine 14y ago
  In my current project we do actually stand up, although only due to the pleasure of the team leader. The main reason it's called a "stand up" is to serve as a reminder that it should be very short, 5 minutes max, or otherwise the time most people would feel comfortable standing for a meeting.
  - darkarmani 14y ago
    Yeah, thanks for the answer. I was being facetious, because our micromanager would divert the meetings to be daily 25 minute meetings! Daily.
ams6110 14y ago
A daily 30 minute standup with 10 programmers (three minutes each) is 5 hours of development time lost. That's 25 hours a week, over half a full-time developer. It's probably more. Let's say stand-up is at 0900. Nobody getting in early is going to really get in the zone because they know standup is coming. Then after standup there's another 15 - 30 minutes getting into the flow. Then it's nearly lunchtime. In other words, standup pretty much kill half the day. Can you really say they are worth it?
- epochwolf 14y ago
  The problem is trying to communicate this to management. I was told that standups are non-optional.
- nickknw 14y ago
  You can do standup meetings in lots of different ways. Our standups are maybe 5min max for a team of 6 and they're very worth it.
- lukeschlather 14y ago
  Our standups are at 11:45, so we have impetus to keep it brief and get to lunch. In any case, even if it does cut into a stretch of programming, it serves as an invaluable reminder to go get lunch. Yeah, I agree that I'd be annoyed with standup at any time before 11:30, but 11:45 is perfect and basically doesn't interfere with anything. In a certain sense it doesn't cost any dev time at all if you take it for granted that your developers should stop coding midway through the day and eat lunch. (We absolutely do not eat lunch during standup - we have standup, then we physically leave the office to go eat.) Sure, some days we end up in endless meetings which mean we're stuck in the building eating takeout, but that has nothing to do with standup.
  - eshvk 14y ago
    We experimented with 10 AM scrum but I found that if I came to the office at 9ish, I used to get distracted with the thought of Scrum. Eventually, we decided to move it to the afternoons at 4:30 which works out well because you are almost done with your work day and you can get distracted all you want.
- vacri 14y ago
  A 30 minute standup counters the whole idea of a 'standup' meeting.
- Retric 14y ago
  The goal is 45 seconds a developer not 5 minutes. Round up to 10 minutes a day * 5 days a week = one 50 minute developer meeting a week which is fairly common. PS: You do lose a little time gathering, and people generally spend some time organizing there thoughts etc. But, keeping track of a short synopsis is useful, as is knowing what other people are working on, and most importantly when someone get's stuck working on the same things for a few days. It also adds a lot of pressure to get at least one thing done every day, which many people slack on.

darkarmani 14y ago

Yeah, but next you'll tell us at your standups you actually stood up. No one gave me an answer when I asked why they called our meeting standup meetings.

NinetyNine 14y ago
In my current project we do actually stand up, although only due to the pleasure of the team leader. The main reason it's called a "stand up" is to serve as a reminder that it should be very short, 5 minutes max, or otherwise the time most people would feel comfortable standing for a meeting.
- darkarmani 14y ago
  Yeah, thanks for the answer. I was being facetious, because our micromanager would divert the meetings to be daily 25 minute meetings! Daily.

ams6110 14y ago

A daily 30 minute standup with 10 programmers (three minutes each) is 5 hours of development time lost. That's 25 hours a week, over half a full-time developer. It's probably more. Let's say stand-up is at 0900. Nobody getting in early is going to really get in the zone because they know standup is coming. Then after standup there's another 15 - 30 minutes getting into the flow. Then it's nearly lunchtime. In other words, standup pretty much kill half the day. Can you really say they are worth it?

epochwolf 14y ago
The problem is trying to communicate this to management. I was told that standups are non-optional.
nickknw 14y ago
You can do standup meetings in lots of different ways. Our standups are maybe 5min max for a team of 6 and they're very worth it.
lukeschlather 14y ago
Our standups are at 11:45, so we have impetus to keep it brief and get to lunch. In any case, even if it does cut into a stretch of programming, it serves as an invaluable reminder to go get lunch. Yeah, I agree that I'd be annoyed with standup at any time before 11:30, but 11:45 is perfect and basically doesn't interfere with anything. In a certain sense it doesn't cost any dev time at all if you take it for granted that your developers should stop coding midway through the day and eat lunch. (We absolutely do not eat lunch during standup - we have standup, then we physically leave the office to go eat.) Sure, some days we end up in endless meetings which mean we're stuck in the building eating takeout, but that has nothing to do with standup.
- eshvk 14y ago
  We experimented with 10 AM scrum but I found that if I came to the office at 9ish, I used to get distracted with the thought of Scrum. Eventually, we decided to move it to the afternoons at 4:30 which works out well because you are almost done with your work day and you can get distracted all you want.
vacri 14y ago
A 30 minute standup counters the whole idea of a 'standup' meeting.
Retric 14y ago
The goal is 45 seconds a developer not 5 minutes. Round up to 10 minutes a day * 5 days a week = one 50 minute developer meeting a week which is fairly common. PS: You do lose a little time gathering, and people generally spend some time organizing there thoughts etc. But, keeping track of a short synopsis is useful, as is knowing what other people are working on, and most importantly when someone get's stuck working on the same things for a few days. It also adds a lot of pressure to get at least one thing done every day, which many people slack on.