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Its not just this website. Since DOGE, China probably canceled all vacation days for their hackers, as its a free for all. Firing of most so many people includi

by dobin 2y ago

Its not just this website. Since DOGE, China probably canceled all vacation days for their hackers, as its a free for all. Firing of most so many people including security departments and most likely the (good) femboy furry hackers. Is the newly created user with name "bigballs" who downloads whole government databases a foreign TA or just DOGE? Who knows. Who cares, certainly not the Government. The data and access gained currently by China, Russia, NK and SA will continue to be useful until and way after the next war.

cyberlimerence 2y ago
Oh I have no doubt about that. You have people, who would not be able to obtain a security clearance in a 100 years if they tried, running around, accessing government databases and taking "backups" offsite. Maybe law enforcement/Pentagon/intelligence data is not under threat at the moment, but in a couple of years who knows. Meanwhile people get fired, proper access protocols and communications continue to breakdown, and you get chaos. And every spy agency loves chaos.
- TheGRS 2y ago
  I'm honestly just hoping "security by obscurity" is helping things for the moment. There's no way a 20 year old is figuring out the data structures of an entire department and getting all the data in a single day.
  - KaiserPro 2y ago
    no they are uploading loads of raw data to some LLM somewhere. Bestcase no history, worse case its hosted by a hostile actor
- leptons 2y ago
  Nothing they have done or will do is supposed to make America better, it's designed to destabilize the country. They want America to fail so that they can rule over the ashes.
- trhway 2y ago
  > Maybe law enforcement/Pentagon/intelligence data is not under threat at the moment the payments data would tell a lot about intelligence networks for example or about various Pentagon contractors. Remember Assange? He did a decade under house arrest for a leak paling in comparison to what happens today. How times have changed.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    That's not why Assange spent a decade hiding in an embassy, which also wasn't house arrest. Before he got kicked out, he could have left any time he wanted — it was the police outside who weren't allowed in. He spent a decade hiding in an embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden for unrelated crimes, ostensably for fear of what ended up happening in the UK where he was apparently happy to stay while insisting Sweden wasn't safe.
    - trhway 2y ago
      >wasn't house arrest. Before he got kicked out, he could have left any time he wanted — it was the police outside and the people in prison can leave anytime they want - it is just prison guards outside who would shoot them. > to Sweden for unrelated crimes And what happened to those crimes in Sweden once he resolved his US issues?
      - ben_w 2y ago
        > and the people in prison can leave anytime they want - it is just prison guards outside who would shoot them. By that standard, given what the guards would do, you would need to also claim that "prison is a death sentence". He wasn't under house arrest — he went there against the desires of the police force outside who stationed officers there to perform an arrest for skipping bail. Calling this "house arrest" is akin to calling voluntarily serving on a submarine "drowning" or working in the antarctic "hypothermia": he chose to go there, and to keep staying there. More than that, he chose to commit a new and easy to prove crime by going there. His argument against going to Sweden, *after having been arrested for the Swedish extradition hearing in the UK*, was a fear of a thing the UK ended up doing, and which it should have been obvious the UK would do willingly whenever the US asked for it. The US has no need to make things more complicated by asking for Swedish involvement given how friendly the UK government is. The UK is infamous for doing whatever the US tells it to, so if you're afraid of US prosecutorial/extradition overreach, the UK is one of many countries where you don't want to be. Sweden, not so much. If the US wanted him back in 2010, they could have had him directly from the UK with full support of the UK government, without any of the convoluted extra steps in this conspiracy theory that makes the Swedish judicial system into patsies. > And what happened to those crimes in Sweden once he resolved his US issues? The statute of limitations happened. Bits were already timing out even before he overstayed his welcome by Ecuador. Nevertheless the prosecutors did try to reopen that prosecution and to get the UK to extradite to Sweden first over the US, only to be told no by the judge because the evidence was too old to secure a conviction. That pre-existing cancellation was why the British didn't feel the need to bother telling Sweden when his asylum was cancelled and he was arrested, much to the annoyance of the Swedish prosecutors: https://www.courthousenews.com/%EF%BB%BFsweden-tells-uk-it-too-has-claims-on-assange/ https://www.courthousenews.com/%EF%BB%BFsweden-tells-uk-it-t... And only after all that had already happened, did the US issues get fully resolved.
addandsubtract 2y ago
> Is the newly created user with name "bigballs" who downloads whole government databases a foreign TA or just DOGE? Who knows. Who cares, certainly not the Government. Someone willing to work without morals for money can just be bought by the next highest bidder. Anything they touch should be treated as compromised.
- not2b 2y ago
  If they'd only been downloading data that would be bad enough, but they've been modifying code as well, code that they don't understand. It's the biggest security disaster in recent history (perhaps Kim Philby giving everything to the Russians was worse) and entirely self-inflicted.
- taurknaut 2y ago
  I don't even think half of them are getting paid. They're doing it gratis.
  - CamperBob2 2y ago
    Oh, they're getting paid, all right. Who's doing the paying is the question.
morkalork 2y ago
Is there a source for the vacation days thing? That's the kind of story that has an apocryphal vibe to it like the Pentagon Domino's Pizza meter has.
- hn_acker 2y ago
  >> Since DOGE, China probably canceled all vacation days for their hackers, as its a free for all. > Is there a source for the vacation days thing? The "vacation days" line seems to be a jokingly hyperbolic prediction. China might have directed more resources (including hackers) toward collecting the data exposed by DOGE and Elon Musk's actions (and might try to widen the crack), but is unlikely to have literally cancelled all vacation days for said hackers.
  - bregma 2y ago
    You can't cancel them if they don't have them.
radicalbyte 2y ago
They don't even need to: they have direct access via their agents. Such as the new intelligence chief and a couple of the DOGE boys who've already been caught directly selling NDA'd information.
- hansvm 2y ago
  Sorry if this comes across the wrong way; I'm just trying to stay in the loop: Is that referring to the DOGE boys who were caught between months and years ago, or is there a confirmed leak of the new information?
  - ttyprintk 2y ago
    Separate thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43052432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43052432
Freedom2 2y ago
I think the good thing is that the DOGE team seem extremely humble and willing to learn from their mistakes, rather than pass the blame in ignorance. Just like their leader!
rightbyte 2y ago
> Firing of most so many people including security departments and most likely the (good) femboy furry hackers. Why is this not a joke? Edit: Rethorical question.
asynchronousx 2y ago
Important to clarify that USDS (DOGE) does not have access to any military systems or intelligence systems. They only have the current access due to the historic process of the USDS.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  They certainly have access to classified intelligence-related information, since they published it (regarding NRO), whether or not they have access to intelligence systems. https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-website-posts-classified-information-215218305.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-website-posts-classified-inf...

by dobin 2y ago

cyberlimerence 2y ago

Oh I have no doubt about that. You have people, who would not be able to obtain a security clearance in a 100 years if they tried, running around, accessing government databases and taking "backups" offsite. Maybe law enforcement/Pentagon/intelligence data is not under threat at the moment, but in a couple of years who knows. Meanwhile people get fired, proper access protocols and communications continue to breakdown, and you get chaos. And every spy agency loves chaos.

TheGRS 2y ago
I'm honestly just hoping "security by obscurity" is helping things for the moment. There's no way a 20 year old is figuring out the data structures of an entire department and getting all the data in a single day.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  no they are uploading loads of raw data to some LLM somewhere. Bestcase no history, worse case its hosted by a hostile actor
leptons 2y ago
Nothing they have done or will do is supposed to make America better, it's designed to destabilize the country. They want America to fail so that they can rule over the ashes.
trhway 2y ago
> Maybe law enforcement/Pentagon/intelligence data is not under threat at the moment the payments data would tell a lot about intelligence networks for example or about various Pentagon contractors. Remember Assange? He did a decade under house arrest for a leak paling in comparison to what happens today. How times have changed.
- ben_w 2y ago
  That's not why Assange spent a decade hiding in an embassy, which also wasn't house arrest. Before he got kicked out, he could have left any time he wanted — it was the police outside who weren't allowed in. He spent a decade hiding in an embassy to avoid extradition to Sweden for unrelated crimes, ostensably for fear of what ended up happening in the UK where he was apparently happy to stay while insisting Sweden wasn't safe.
  - trhway 2y ago
    >wasn't house arrest. Before he got kicked out, he could have left any time he wanted — it was the police outside and the people in prison can leave anytime they want - it is just prison guards outside who would shoot them. > to Sweden for unrelated crimes And what happened to those crimes in Sweden once he resolved his US issues?
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > and the people in prison can leave anytime they want - it is just prison guards outside who would shoot them. By that standard, given what the guards would do, you would need to also claim that "prison is a death sentence". He wasn't under house arrest — he went there against the desires of the police force outside who stationed officers there to perform an arrest for skipping bail. Calling this "house arrest" is akin to calling voluntarily serving on a submarine "drowning" or working in the antarctic "hypothermia": he chose to go there, and to keep staying there. More than that, he chose to commit a new and easy to prove crime by going there. His argument against going to Sweden, *after having been arrested for the Swedish extradition hearing in the UK*, was a fear of a thing the UK ended up doing, and which it should have been obvious the UK would do willingly whenever the US asked for it. The US has no need to make things more complicated by asking for Swedish involvement given how friendly the UK government is. The UK is infamous for doing whatever the US tells it to, so if you're afraid of US prosecutorial/extradition overreach, the UK is one of many countries where you don't want to be. Sweden, not so much. If the US wanted him back in 2010, they could have had him directly from the UK with full support of the UK government, without any of the convoluted extra steps in this conspiracy theory that makes the Swedish judicial system into patsies. > And what happened to those crimes in Sweden once he resolved his US issues? The statute of limitations happened. Bits were already timing out even before he overstayed his welcome by Ecuador. Nevertheless the prosecutors did try to reopen that prosecution and to get the UK to extradite to Sweden first over the US, only to be told no by the judge because the evidence was too old to secure a conviction. That pre-existing cancellation was why the British didn't feel the need to bother telling Sweden when his asylum was cancelled and he was arrested, much to the annoyance of the Swedish prosecutors: https://www.courthousenews.com/%EF%BB%BFsweden-tells-uk-it-too-has-claims-on-assange/ https://www.courthousenews.com/%EF%BB%BFsweden-tells-uk-it-t... And only after all that had already happened, did the US issues get fully resolved.

addandsubtract 2y ago

> Is the newly created user with name "bigballs" who downloads whole government databases a foreign TA or just DOGE? Who knows. Who cares, certainly not the Government. Someone willing to work without morals for money can just be bought by the next highest bidder. Anything they touch should be treated as compromised.

not2b 2y ago
If they'd only been downloading data that would be bad enough, but they've been modifying code as well, code that they don't understand. It's the biggest security disaster in recent history (perhaps Kim Philby giving everything to the Russians was worse) and entirely self-inflicted.
taurknaut 2y ago
I don't even think half of them are getting paid. They're doing it gratis.
- CamperBob2 2y ago
  Oh, they're getting paid, all right. Who's doing the paying is the question.

morkalork 2y ago

Is there a source for the vacation days thing? That's the kind of story that has an apocryphal vibe to it like the Pentagon Domino's Pizza meter has.

hn_acker 2y ago
>> Since DOGE, China probably canceled all vacation days for their hackers, as its a free for all. > Is there a source for the vacation days thing? The "vacation days" line seems to be a jokingly hyperbolic prediction. China might have directed more resources (including hackers) toward collecting the data exposed by DOGE and Elon Musk's actions (and might try to widen the crack), but is unlikely to have literally cancelled all vacation days for said hackers.
- bregma 2y ago
  You can't cancel them if they don't have them.

radicalbyte 2y ago

They don't even need to: they have direct access via their agents. Such as the new intelligence chief and a couple of the DOGE boys who've already been caught directly selling NDA'd information.

hansvm 2y ago
Sorry if this comes across the wrong way; I'm just trying to stay in the loop: Is that referring to the DOGE boys who were caught between months and years ago, or is there a confirmed leak of the new information?
- ttyprintk 2y ago
  Separate thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43052432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43052432

Freedom2 2y ago

I think the good thing is that the DOGE team seem extremely humble and willing to learn from their mistakes, rather than pass the blame in ignorance. Just like their leader!

rightbyte 2y ago

> Firing of most so many people including security departments and most likely the (good) femboy furry hackers. Why is this not a joke? Edit: Rethorical question.

asynchronousx 2y ago

Important to clarify that USDS (DOGE) does not have access to any military systems or intelligence systems. They only have the current access due to the historic process of the USDS.

dragonwriter 2y ago
They certainly have access to classified intelligence-related information, since they published it (regarding NRO), whether or not they have access to intelligence systems. https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-website-posts-classified-information-215218305.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/doge-website-posts-classified-inf...