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>Americans selected a president who is against "equity", "inclusion" and "social justice" Indeed. Our American values are and always have been Equality, Pursui

>Americans selected a president who is against "equity", "inclusion" and "social justice" Indeed. Our American values are and always have been Equality, Pursuit of Happiness, and legal justice respectively, as declared in our Declaration of Independence[1] and Constitution[2], even if there were and will be complications along the way. Liberty is power, power is responsibility. Noone ever said living free was going to be easy, but everyone will say it's a fulfilling life. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_Independence#Annotated_text_of_the_engrossed_declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Declaration_of_I... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_Constitution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preamble_to_the_United_States_...

mrtksn 2y ago
Then why don't you do all that but instead treating people who are in pursuit of happiness as criminals for example? Why do you need the paperwork and bureaucracy to let people pursue happiness? Why the people in the background are not entitled to it: https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/605909ce-5858-4c13-89cc-998f87b84028/4accf1b2-d491-4677-a42a-b8ed189be9c4 https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/605909ce-5858-4c13-... Why US government personel is being replaced with loyalist if you are about equality and legal justice?
- pb7 2y ago
  The US is a sovereign nation which has a right to defend its borders from illegal invaders. Try to enter or stay in Singapore illegally and see what happens to you.
  - mrtksn 2y ago
    US is Singapore now? What happened to pursuit of happiness and freedom?
    - pb7 2y ago
      Insert any other country of your choice that has a government sturdier than a lemonade stand. You're free to follow the legal process to come to the country to seek your pursuit of happiness.
      - mrtksn 2y ago
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        Dalewyn 2y ago
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        mrtksn 2y ago
        > Your right to pursuit of happiness ends where another's rights begins The right of not having someone in the country is interesting right. What other rights you have like that? Do you have also the right of other people not eating Marmite?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Quite literally any country with a government worth talking about controls entry of foreign nationals. It is a privilege to enter another country as a foreigner, and that country has every sovereign right to deny you that privilege if they so choose for any reason (usually citing their laws). The fact that you ignore this demonstrates your bad will in engaging in these conversations.
        mrtksn 2y ago
        So you support people who are allowed to enter the country to pursue their happiness?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Of course, why wouldn't I? So long as would-be immigrants obey the law they are quite welcome.
pjc50 2y ago
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ..." (+) (+) terms and conditions apply; did not originally apply to nonwhite men or women. Hence allowing things like the mass internment of Americans of Japanese ethnicity.
- Detrytus 2y ago
  Men are created equal, but not identical. That's why you should aim for equal chance, but shouldn't try to force equal results. Affirmative actions and such are stupid and I'm glad Trump is getting rid of them.
  - worik 2y ago
    I live in a country that has had a very successful programme of affirmative action, following roughly three generations of open, systemic racism (Maori school students where kept out of university and the professions as a matter of public policy) Now we are starting to get Maori doctors and lawyers that is transforming our society - for the better IMO That was because the law and medical schools went out of their way to recruit Maori students. To start with they were hard to find as nobody in their families (being Maori, and forbidden) had been to university If you do not do anything about where people start then saying "aim for equal chance" can become a tool of oppression and keeping the opportunities for those who already have them. Nuance is useful. I have heard many bizarre stories out of the USA about people blindly applying DEI with not much thought or planning. But there are many many places where carefully applied policies have made everybody's life better
    - hcurtiss 2y ago
      This is always the Motte & Bailey of the left. "Equity" doesn't mean you recruit better. It means when your recruitment efforts fail to produce the outcomes you want, you lower the barriers on the basis of skin color. That's the racism that America is presently rejecting, and very forcefully.
    - milesrout 2y ago

mrtksn 2y ago

Then why don't you do all that but instead treating people who are in pursuit of happiness as criminals for example? Why do you need the paperwork and bureaucracy to let people pursue happiness? Why the people in the background are not entitled to it: https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/605909ce-5858-4c13-89cc-998f87b84028/4accf1b2-d491-4677-a42a-b8ed189be9c4 https://a.dropoverapp.com/cloud/download/605909ce-5858-4c13-... Why US government personel is being replaced with loyalist if you are about equality and legal justice?

pb7 2y ago
The US is a sovereign nation which has a right to defend its borders from illegal invaders. Try to enter or stay in Singapore illegally and see what happens to you.
- mrtksn 2y ago
  US is Singapore now? What happened to pursuit of happiness and freedom?
  - pb7 2y ago
    Insert any other country of your choice that has a government sturdier than a lemonade stand. You're free to follow the legal process to come to the country to seek your pursuit of happiness.
    - mrtksn 2y ago
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      - Dalewyn 2y ago
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        mrtksn 2y ago
        > Your right to pursuit of happiness ends where another's rights begins The right of not having someone in the country is interesting right. What other rights you have like that? Do you have also the right of other people not eating Marmite?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Quite literally any country with a government worth talking about controls entry of foreign nationals. It is a privilege to enter another country as a foreigner, and that country has every sovereign right to deny you that privilege if they so choose for any reason (usually citing their laws). The fact that you ignore this demonstrates your bad will in engaging in these conversations.
        mrtksn 2y ago
        So you support people who are allowed to enter the country to pursue their happiness?
        Dalewyn 2y ago
        Of course, why wouldn't I? So long as would-be immigrants obey the law they are quite welcome.

pjc50 2y ago

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal ..." (+) (+) terms and conditions apply; did not originally apply to nonwhite men or women. Hence allowing things like the mass internment of Americans of Japanese ethnicity.

Detrytus 2y ago
Men are created equal, but not identical. That's why you should aim for equal chance, but shouldn't try to force equal results. Affirmative actions and such are stupid and I'm glad Trump is getting rid of them.
- worik 2y ago
  I live in a country that has had a very successful programme of affirmative action, following roughly three generations of open, systemic racism (Maori school students where kept out of university and the professions as a matter of public policy) Now we are starting to get Maori doctors and lawyers that is transforming our society - for the better IMO That was because the law and medical schools went out of their way to recruit Maori students. To start with they were hard to find as nobody in their families (being Maori, and forbidden) had been to university If you do not do anything about where people start then saying "aim for equal chance" can become a tool of oppression and keeping the opportunities for those who already have them. Nuance is useful. I have heard many bizarre stories out of the USA about people blindly applying DEI with not much thought or planning. But there are many many places where carefully applied policies have made everybody's life better
  - hcurtiss 2y ago
    This is always the Motte & Bailey of the left. "Equity" doesn't mean you recruit better. It means when your recruitment efforts fail to produce the outcomes you want, you lower the barriers on the basis of skin color. That's the racism that America is presently rejecting, and very forcefully.
  - milesrout 2y ago