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Sharing a ChatGPT Account with My Wife

43 points by aman2k4 2y ago

squigglydonut 2y ago
extreme shill
- infecto 2y ago
  Low quality garbage comment.
krat0sprakhar 2y ago
> Before, we browsed recipe online or watch them on youtube. Now, we just ask ChatGPT. > Even small things—if I can still eat those eggs or where to travel next—are now AI-assisted. Both of these are true for my wife and me as well. It's incredible how valuable these LLMs are for short, quick answers in the day of SEO laden crapware on the internet. For coding (side-projects), I find CLINE super valuable and use it quite often to get refactoring ideas.
- deleted 2y ago
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- grok22 2y ago
  But the answers are really coming from those "SEO laden crapware" sites that ChatGPT was trained on -- in some ways ChatGPT has kinda stolen information and summarized it, but what happens over time? How do arrive at a new recipe for the same old things?
- akomtu 2y ago
  Google was like that in the early days. In a decade, datasets of authentic texts will be goldmines, carefully guarded and exploited. From those goldmines numerous AI slop-machines will be creating the derivative product: a mixture of 1% gold, 49% filler sugar and 50% ads poison. Obtaining authentic texts will be similar in difficulty to obtaining pure gold bars.
viccis 2y ago
>We used to struggle with financial decisions—where to invest, whether real estate was a good idea, when is the right time to buy a house, pension plans, S&P 500, Bitcoin, all of it. We never really figured it out properly. Now, we just ask AI, and it helps us structure our thinking. This one is a step too far for me. Glad it's working out for you (for now) though.
- rpcope1 2y ago
  Yeah, that's absurdly scary. That's a huge social engineering/social control risk of there's a non trivial number of people using it like that...I mean imagine influencing the LLM to subtly pump and dump assets.
  - rvnx 2y ago
    A bit like what X/Twitter is doing.
  - viccis 2y ago
    Yeah I mean I just asked it how to make a million bucks off of memecoins and it gave me an extensive list of memecoin investing tips to make sure I didn't end up as a bag holder. The only thing I'd trust it for would be explanations about well documented concepts and strategies, but even that is better to get from a well respected Youtube channel or financial advice outlet.
  - jsemrau 2y ago
    Two thoughts on this. (1) The agent is the ad (Facebook/Reddit) (2) Game Theory and Agent Reasoning (Subtle malevolent intentions in adversarial gameplay)
  - elliotto 2y ago
    Isn't this what Google does already? And it throws ads at you (ranked on whichever company pays them the most) I suspect a decent open source llm would have a lot more transparency than the current methods of coagulating collective information
- sumedh 2y ago
voidhorse 2y ago
This post is a good piece of evidence that the value of LLMs is driven far more by the circumstances surrounding them than by positive value they bring. All I see is a society in which people are stretched insanely thin (even the software engineers work on monetized side projects, for god's sake), where basic needs like proper education and time to focus are degrading or too expensive, where information gathering has been totally co-opted by advertisers and grifter—LLMs are a suboptimal solution to what are inherently structural social problems that arise from a distribution of wealth and organization of labor. LLMs do not address this. Give it five more years and they'll be totally integrated into advertising and extracting capital from users too, and they'll be just as useless as search has become today.
- packetlost 2y ago
  Search is far from useless. The demise of search is, IMO greatly overstated. Sure, Google is bad these days, but there are more options these days
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Does anyone do pure search and not SEO ads driven search results?
    - MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
      Kagi, if you're willing to pay for search.
    - mstkllah 2y ago
      Kagi?
- lucaslazarus 2y ago
  Reminds me of Kranzberg’s First Law: > “Technology is neither good nor bad; nor is it neutral.”
- infecto 2y ago
  You have a few holes in your argument. First, I would argue that LLM provide incredibly value today. From language learning, asking about how to a specific manufacturing machine works, to simply grabbing the time zone of a city I list. They had value and are only getting better. Search still exists but I wonder in a few years if it still exists like we see today. Second, your framing is truly of the doom and gloom of humanity. I dont think we are stretched any more than we have been in the past. Things are different for sure, both the success and problems, but what a time to be alive, I can watch media from all around the world and have a LLM speak with me through any query I have. Lastly, I just don’t think search is that bad. I pay for Kagi but the vanilla google experience is not the end of the world. You still can generally find what you want.
walthamstow 2y ago
> Before, we browsed recipe online or watch them on youtube. Now, we just ask ChatGPT. It's fine to use as a brainstorming tool especially as a decent freestyle cook. It's equivalent to reading three recipes for the same dish and going from there. However, if you are a strict recipe-follower or lack kitchen confidence, like my wife, you're gonna need a recipe that has actually been cooked by a human before, ideally one you have some faith in.
- lolinder 2y ago
  My wife is not confident cooking—very much a recipe follower—and ChatGPT has dramatically increased her confidence without any real misses so far. Several recipes have been saved for later because they were better than what we already had in cook books. She loves being able to give it a set of ingredients and have it suggest and create recipes that use the things we have on hand.
- rufus_foreman 2y ago
  >> Before, we browsed recipe online or watch them on youtube. Now, we just ask ChatGPT. This is my new favorite meme template.
  - potatoman22 2y ago
    Before, we browsed Tinder or met people IRL. Now, we just text ChatGPT.
satisfice 2y ago
I don’t see any evidence here that AI has helped the poster, or his wife, at all. He also does not say a thing about how it has hurt his critical thinking ability or changed his biases. I look at posts like these for evidence about whether I should use AI more than I do. (I use it little and don’t pay for it.) What we have here is a devotional post on the order of “I prayed to Jesus and my life is better now.” The basic problem is that this form of writing and testimonial cannot carry the information necessary to meet the needs of a critical thinker. For instance: recipes. Googling a typical recipe takes 5 seconds. It can hardly get any easier! And it takes me right to someone's specific website. But with ChatGPT there is some significant probability of hallucination, and the answer I get is one no human stands behind. How is this even worth mentioning as a benefit? That the poster includes recipes tells us about his unserious standards. Among all the problems of LLMs in society, the noise created by people who are likely in the throes of sunk cost bias, endowment effect, ostrich effect, and other biases is not helping matters.
- fn-mote 2y ago
  > And it takes me right to someone's specific website. Which you then have to assess for believability, just like ChatGPT. And read the comments and incorporate their reactions, or know enough to not need them (but then the search isn’t contributing much, is it?). > But with ChatGPT there is some significant probability of hallucination As opposed to ending up on a bogus SEO-“created” web site. I guess fake recipes are more obvious, but I see a lot of BS on the low end of online recipes too.
  - satisfice 2y ago
    You act like there is no benefit to entering a relationship with a fellow human’s website. You act like it is somehow difficult or unpleasant to do that assessment. You act like LLMs are stable and reliable. I don’t understand how there is any comparison. The only way I can assess the reliability of an LLM is by doing hundreds of trials, analyzing each one for correctness— a gargantuan task. And it’s not like OpenAI has ever done such testing! And even if I did that work (which I HAVE done in other contexts while researching LLM reliability) I cannot assume that it will remain reliable when the model is updated. Meanwhile there are well known social forces that act on humans to encourage them to not put poison into their recipes. No such force acts on ChatGPT until a kid gets poisoned or some outrageous recipe goes viral. Sometimes I wonder if certain other people are using some different Internet than I use.
spiritplumber 2y ago
And even the lecturers acquiesced when they found that a lecture on the sea was none the less stimulating when compiled out of other lectures that had already been delivered on the same subject. “Beware of first-hand ideas!” exclaimed one of the most advanced of them. “First-hand ideas do not really exist. They are but the physical impressions produced by love and fear, and on this gross foundation who could erect a philosophy? Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element — direct observation. Do not learn anything about this subject of mine — the French Revolution. Learn instead what I think that Enicharmon thought Urizen thought Gutch thought Ho-Yung thought Chi-Bo-Sing thought Lafcadio Hearn thought Carlyle thought Mirabeau said about the French Revolution. Through the medium of these ten great minds, the blood that was shed at Paris and the windows that were broken at Versailles will be clarified to an idea which you may employ most profitably in your daily lives. But be sure that the intermediates are many and varied, for in history one authority exists to counteract another. Urizen must counteract the scepticism of Ho-Yung and Enicharmon, I must myself counteract the impetuosity of Gutch. You who listen to me are in a better position to judge about the French Revolution than I am. Your descendants will be even in a better position than you, for they will learn what you think I think, and yet another intermediate will be added to the chain. And in time” — his voice rose — “there will come a generation that had got beyond facts, beyond impressions, a generation absolutely colourless, a generation ‘seraphically free From taint of personality,’ which will see the French Revolution not as it happened, nor as they would like it to have happened, but as it would have happened, had it taken place in the days of the Machine.” The Machine Stops, E M Forster, 1909
- marviel 2y ago
  Ty for sharing this quote, excellent.
- pinoy420 2y ago
  This reads like AI.
  - brendoelfrendo 2y ago
    Fortunately, we can trivially verify that the quote is real and comes from a short story: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/72890/pg72890-images.html#THE_MACHINE_STOPS https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/72890/pg72890-images.ht... The quote in question comes from the section "Part III: The Homeless".
csharpminor 2y ago
One of the things I love about ChatGPT is voice mode for collaborative searching. My wife and I will both ask questions about things like house repairs, meal planning, sleep training, etc. So much better than both of us googling separately in silence on our phones.
mhh__ 2y ago
A pet theory of mine is that women will be better at using AI for all but the most analytical/symbolic work (even this may not hold but I'd imagine the crossover is around there) I have no mechanism but it feels true.
- kbelder 2y ago
  >I have no mechanism but it feels true. I really, really want to make a joke here, but it would be so sexist I'd get voted down in an instant.
  - mhh__ 2y ago
    I'm being quite serious. I suppose the closest thing to an analytical description of what I have in my head is that the way I've seen women prompt chatgpt is probably much closer to how its trained as part of RLHF, but more deeply it seems like a very different way of thinking that men overall aren't particularly good at. I met a sculptor recently (reasonable thirst for knowledge; but not from greece) who went straight for deepseek to ask a question. That surprised me. Obviously deepseek was in the news, but the way they train seems to be more aligned with the aforementioned way of thinking than openai.
aaron695 2y ago
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mettamage 2y ago
Looks quite reminiscent of how I use ChatGPT. My wife and I don't share an account, I guess I'm just a one man show :')

43 points by aman2k4 2y ago

squigglydonut 2y ago

extreme shill

infecto 2y ago
Low quality garbage comment.

krat0sprakhar 2y ago

> Before, we browsed recipe online or watch them on youtube. Now, we just ask ChatGPT. > Even small things—if I can still eat those eggs or where to travel next—are now AI-assisted. Both of these are true for my wife and me as well. It's incredible how valuable these LLMs are for short, quick answers in the day of SEO laden crapware on the internet. For coding (side-projects), I find CLINE super valuable and use it quite often to get refactoring ideas.

deleted 2y ago
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grok22 2y ago
But the answers are really coming from those "SEO laden crapware" sites that ChatGPT was trained on -- in some ways ChatGPT has kinda stolen information and summarized it, but what happens over time? How do arrive at a new recipe for the same old things?
akomtu 2y ago
Google was like that in the early days. In a decade, datasets of authentic texts will be goldmines, carefully guarded and exploited. From those goldmines numerous AI slop-machines will be creating the derivative product: a mixture of 1% gold, 49% filler sugar and 50% ads poison. Obtaining authentic texts will be similar in difficulty to obtaining pure gold bars.

viccis 2y ago

>We used to struggle with financial decisions—where to invest, whether real estate was a good idea, when is the right time to buy a house, pension plans, S&P 500, Bitcoin, all of it. We never really figured it out properly. Now, we just ask AI, and it helps us structure our thinking. This one is a step too far for me. Glad it's working out for you (for now) though.

rpcope1 2y ago
Yeah, that's absurdly scary. That's a huge social engineering/social control risk of there's a non trivial number of people using it like that...I mean imagine influencing the LLM to subtly pump and dump assets.
- rvnx 2y ago
  A bit like what X/Twitter is doing.
- viccis 2y ago
  Yeah I mean I just asked it how to make a million bucks off of memecoins and it gave me an extensive list of memecoin investing tips to make sure I didn't end up as a bag holder. The only thing I'd trust it for would be explanations about well documented concepts and strategies, but even that is better to get from a well respected Youtube channel or financial advice outlet.
- jsemrau 2y ago
  Two thoughts on this. (1) The agent is the ad (Facebook/Reddit) (2) Game Theory and Agent Reasoning (Subtle malevolent intentions in adversarial gameplay)
- elliotto 2y ago
  Isn't this what Google does already? And it throws ads at you (ranked on whichever company pays them the most) I suspect a decent open source llm would have a lot more transparency than the current methods of coagulating collective information
sumedh 2y ago

voidhorse 2y ago

This post is a good piece of evidence that the value of LLMs is driven far more by the circumstances surrounding them than by positive value they bring. All I see is a society in which people are stretched insanely thin (even the software engineers work on monetized side projects, for god's sake), where basic needs like proper education and time to focus are degrading or too expensive, where information gathering has been totally co-opted by advertisers and grifter—LLMs are a suboptimal solution to what are inherently structural social problems that arise from a distribution of wealth and organization of labor. LLMs do not address this. Give it five more years and they'll be totally integrated into advertising and extracting capital from users too, and they'll be just as useless as search has become today.

packetlost 2y ago
Search is far from useless. The demise of search is, IMO greatly overstated. Sure, Google is bad these days, but there are more options these days
- dylan604 2y ago
  Does anyone do pure search and not SEO ads driven search results?
  - MyOutfitIsVague 2y ago
    Kagi, if you're willing to pay for search.
  - mstkllah 2y ago
    Kagi?
lucaslazarus 2y ago
Reminds me of Kranzberg’s First Law: > “Technology is neither good nor bad; nor is it neutral.”
infecto 2y ago
You have a few holes in your argument. First, I would argue that LLM provide incredibly value today. From language learning, asking about how to a specific manufacturing machine works, to simply grabbing the time zone of a city I list. They had value and are only getting better. Search still exists but I wonder in a few years if it still exists like we see today. Second, your framing is truly of the doom and gloom of humanity. I dont think we are stretched any more than we have been in the past. Things are different for sure, both the success and problems, but what a time to be alive, I can watch media from all around the world and have a LLM speak with me through any query I have. Lastly, I just don’t think search is that bad. I pay for Kagi but the vanilla google experience is not the end of the world. You still can generally find what you want.

walthamstow 2y ago

> Before, we browsed recipe online or watch them on youtube. Now, we just ask ChatGPT. It's fine to use as a brainstorming tool especially as a decent freestyle cook. It's equivalent to reading three recipes for the same dish and going from there. However, if you are a strict recipe-follower or lack kitchen confidence, like my wife, you're gonna need a recipe that has actually been cooked by a human before, ideally one you have some faith in.

lolinder 2y ago
My wife is not confident cooking—very much a recipe follower—and ChatGPT has dramatically increased her confidence without any real misses so far. Several recipes have been saved for later because they were better than what we already had in cook books. She loves being able to give it a set of ingredients and have it suggest and create recipes that use the things we have on hand.
rufus_foreman 2y ago
>> Before, we browsed recipe online or watch them on youtube. Now, we just ask ChatGPT. This is my new favorite meme template.
- potatoman22 2y ago
  Before, we browsed Tinder or met people IRL. Now, we just text ChatGPT.

satisfice 2y ago

I don’t see any evidence here that AI has helped the poster, or his wife, at all. He also does not say a thing about how it has hurt his critical thinking ability or changed his biases. I look at posts like these for evidence about whether I should use AI more than I do. (I use it little and don’t pay for it.) What we have here is a devotional post on the order of “I prayed to Jesus and my life is better now.” The basic problem is that this form of writing and testimonial cannot carry the information necessary to meet the needs of a critical thinker. For instance: recipes. Googling a typical recipe takes 5 seconds. It can hardly get any easier! And it takes me right to someone's specific website. But with ChatGPT there is some significant probability of hallucination, and the answer I get is one no human stands behind. How is this even worth mentioning as a benefit? That the poster includes recipes tells us about his unserious standards. Among all the problems of LLMs in society, the noise created by people who are likely in the throes of sunk cost bias, endowment effect, ostrich effect, and other biases is not helping matters.

fn-mote 2y ago
> And it takes me right to someone's specific website. Which you then have to assess for believability, just like ChatGPT. And read the comments and incorporate their reactions, or know enough to not need them (but then the search isn’t contributing much, is it?). > But with ChatGPT there is some significant probability of hallucination As opposed to ending up on a bogus SEO-“created” web site. I guess fake recipes are more obvious, but I see a lot of BS on the low end of online recipes too.
- satisfice 2y ago
  You act like there is no benefit to entering a relationship with a fellow human’s website. You act like it is somehow difficult or unpleasant to do that assessment. You act like LLMs are stable and reliable. I don’t understand how there is any comparison. The only way I can assess the reliability of an LLM is by doing hundreds of trials, analyzing each one for correctness— a gargantuan task. And it’s not like OpenAI has ever done such testing! And even if I did that work (which I HAVE done in other contexts while researching LLM reliability) I cannot assume that it will remain reliable when the model is updated. Meanwhile there are well known social forces that act on humans to encourage them to not put poison into their recipes. No such force acts on ChatGPT until a kid gets poisoned or some outrageous recipe goes viral. Sometimes I wonder if certain other people are using some different Internet than I use.

spiritplumber 2y ago

And even the lecturers acquiesced when they found that a lecture on the sea was none the less stimulating when compiled out of other lectures that had already been delivered on the same subject. “Beware of first-hand ideas!” exclaimed one of the most advanced of them. “First-hand ideas do not really exist. They are but the physical impressions produced by love and fear, and on this gross foundation who could erect a philosophy? Let your ideas be second-hand, and if possible tenth-hand, for then they will be far removed from that disturbing element — direct observation. Do not learn anything about this subject of mine — the French Revolution. Learn instead what I think that Enicharmon thought Urizen thought Gutch thought Ho-Yung thought Chi-Bo-Sing thought Lafcadio Hearn thought Carlyle thought Mirabeau said about the French Revolution. Through the medium of these ten great minds, the blood that was shed at Paris and the windows that were broken at Versailles will be clarified to an idea which you may employ most profitably in your daily lives. But be sure that the intermediates are many and varied, for in history one authority exists to counteract another. Urizen must counteract the scepticism of Ho-Yung and Enicharmon, I must myself counteract the impetuosity of Gutch. You who listen to me are in a better position to judge about the French Revolution than I am. Your descendants will be even in a better position than you, for they will learn what you think I think, and yet another intermediate will be added to the chain. And in time” — his voice rose — “there will come a generation that had got beyond facts, beyond impressions, a generation absolutely colourless, a generation ‘seraphically free From taint of personality,’ which will see the French Revolution not as it happened, nor as they would like it to have happened, but as it would have happened, had it taken place in the days of the Machine.” The Machine Stops, E M Forster, 1909

marviel 2y ago
Ty for sharing this quote, excellent.
pinoy420 2y ago
This reads like AI.
- brendoelfrendo 2y ago
  Fortunately, we can trivially verify that the quote is real and comes from a short story: https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/72890/pg72890-images.html#THE_MACHINE_STOPS https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/72890/pg72890-images.ht... The quote in question comes from the section "Part III: The Homeless".

csharpminor 2y ago

One of the things I love about ChatGPT is voice mode for collaborative searching. My wife and I will both ask questions about things like house repairs, meal planning, sleep training, etc. So much better than both of us googling separately in silence on our phones.

mhh__ 2y ago

A pet theory of mine is that women will be better at using AI for all but the most analytical/symbolic work (even this may not hold but I'd imagine the crossover is around there) I have no mechanism but it feels true.

kbelder 2y ago
>I have no mechanism but it feels true. I really, really want to make a joke here, but it would be so sexist I'd get voted down in an instant.
- mhh__ 2y ago
  I'm being quite serious. I suppose the closest thing to an analytical description of what I have in my head is that the way I've seen women prompt chatgpt is probably much closer to how its trained as part of RLHF, but more deeply it seems like a very different way of thinking that men overall aren't particularly good at. I met a sculptor recently (reasonable thirst for knowledge; but not from greece) who went straight for deepseek to ask a question. That surprised me. Obviously deepseek was in the news, but the way they train seems to be more aligned with the aforementioned way of thinking than openai.

aaron695 2y ago

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mettamage 2y ago

Looks quite reminiscent of how I use ChatGPT. My wife and I don't share an account, I guess I'm just a one man show :')