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> You're not getting instant respect from mother in laws and pastors as an ATC You would if it was known to pay $500k/yr+

nicoburns 2y ago
Earning highly does not universally command respect the way being a doctor does. Some would even see earning that much as being immoral (i.e. actually negative)
- portaouflop 2y ago
  Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? I can’t think of any (Outside of anti-capitalist circles ofc)
  - nicoburns 2y ago
    > Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? Banking? Sales? > Outside of anti-capitalist circles ofc Well that's quite the point. Maybe those circles are small in the US, but they aren't in most of the rest of the world. Let me just say that if I called my parents and told them that I had gotten a well-paid job at, say, a hedge fund, they would not be impressed and would likely think less of me for it.
    - somenameforme 2y ago
      One doesn't need to be anti-capitalist to dislike bankers, salespeople, or many other similar careers. They, in many cases at least, rely on information inequalities to deceive and rip off people. I love capitalism, but I loathe sketchy behavior done in the pursuit of money. They are two very different things.
      - bobthepanda 2y ago
        Also, a nonzero amount of people remember events like the Great Recession that were caused by the hubris of bankers.
  - throwaway2037 2y ago
    Many people have a low view of lawyers and investment bankers.
    - chii 2y ago
      Those "low view" is out of jealousy and the idea that they're "doing evil" to get that money. It's a personal bias, which i personally also would ignore. I have respect for lawyers, and i have respect for investment bankers (who make huge merger/acquisition deals work).
      - bruce511 2y ago
        You miss the point. why the low view exists is irrelevant. Frankly, while I acknowledge their necessity, I have a poor (default) view of both bankers and lawyers. I don't see them as bad people, but people in their professions do many bad things. If my son brings a banker home as a prospective mate, well, let's say they're not earning status points from their profession. You (may have) and I (do) have respect for people in tough jobs like see workers. Doesn't mean my mom wouldn't prefer I date a nice doctor. My point being that social respect does not come with your personal respect.
        Dylan16807 2y ago
        > You miss the point. why the low view exists is irrelevant. It's very much relevant to this conversation. Without specific negative factors like a "predatory" aspect, increasing earnings will increase prestige. ATC doesn't have those factors.
        swores 2y ago
        They brought up bankers and lawyers in response to someone asking "Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? I can’t think of any" So yes it is irrelevant in the specific context of that sub-conversation. Which isn't to say that your point arguing why that might not be applicable to ATCs isn't also a relevant thing to say to being the conversation back to the main topic of this thread.
  - asdf6969 2y ago
    Underwater welders
  - hattmall 2y ago
    Crane operators, any equipment operators really. Plumbers, HVAC tech, Boat Mechanics, the guy that climbed down in my septic tank to retrieve whatever he used to clear the line is making $300 an hour. And... uhm... software developers.
    - portaouflop 2y ago
      I respect the shit out of the first category tbh, those people keep society going
  - RobotToaster 2y ago
    Politician?
  - ForHackernews 2y ago
    Lawyers, CEOs, hedge fund managers, investment bankers, congresspeople are all widely despised. To a lesser extent dentists, influencers and advertising executives are not well-loved.
  - rascul 2y ago
    > Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? All of them. Respect is not commanded because you make lots of money or have a certain job.

nicoburns 2y ago

Earning highly does not universally command respect the way being a doctor does. Some would even see earning that much as being immoral (i.e. actually negative)

portaouflop 2y ago
Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? I can’t think of any (Outside of anti-capitalist circles ofc)
- nicoburns 2y ago
  > Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? Banking? Sales? > Outside of anti-capitalist circles ofc Well that's quite the point. Maybe those circles are small in the US, but they aren't in most of the rest of the world. Let me just say that if I called my parents and told them that I had gotten a well-paid job at, say, a hedge fund, they would not be impressed and would likely think less of me for it.
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    One doesn't need to be anti-capitalist to dislike bankers, salespeople, or many other similar careers. They, in many cases at least, rely on information inequalities to deceive and rip off people. I love capitalism, but I loathe sketchy behavior done in the pursuit of money. They are two very different things.
    - bobthepanda 2y ago
      Also, a nonzero amount of people remember events like the Great Recession that were caused by the hubris of bankers.
- throwaway2037 2y ago
  Many people have a low view of lawyers and investment bankers.
  - chii 2y ago
    Those "low view" is out of jealousy and the idea that they're "doing evil" to get that money. It's a personal bias, which i personally also would ignore. I have respect for lawyers, and i have respect for investment bankers (who make huge merger/acquisition deals work).
    - bruce511 2y ago
      You miss the point. why the low view exists is irrelevant. Frankly, while I acknowledge their necessity, I have a poor (default) view of both bankers and lawyers. I don't see them as bad people, but people in their professions do many bad things. If my son brings a banker home as a prospective mate, well, let's say they're not earning status points from their profession. You (may have) and I (do) have respect for people in tough jobs like see workers. Doesn't mean my mom wouldn't prefer I date a nice doctor. My point being that social respect does not come with your personal respect.
      - Dylan16807 2y ago
        > You miss the point. why the low view exists is irrelevant. It's very much relevant to this conversation. Without specific negative factors like a "predatory" aspect, increasing earnings will increase prestige. ATC doesn't have those factors.
        swores 2y ago
        They brought up bankers and lawyers in response to someone asking "Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? I can’t think of any" So yes it is irrelevant in the specific context of that sub-conversation. Which isn't to say that your point arguing why that might not be applicable to ATCs isn't also a relevant thing to say to being the conversation back to the main topic of this thread.
- asdf6969 2y ago
  Underwater welders
- hattmall 2y ago
  Crane operators, any equipment operators really. Plumbers, HVAC tech, Boat Mechanics, the guy that climbed down in my septic tank to retrieve whatever he used to clear the line is making $300 an hour. And... uhm... software developers.
  - portaouflop 2y ago
    I respect the shit out of the first category tbh, those people keep society going
- RobotToaster 2y ago
  Politician?
- ForHackernews 2y ago
  Lawyers, CEOs, hedge fund managers, investment bankers, congresspeople are all widely despised. To a lesser extent dentists, influencers and advertising executives are not well-loved.
- rascul 2y ago
  > Which very highly paid job does not command respect in society? All of them. Respect is not commanded because you make lots of money or have a certain job.