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Arguably, especially in the 8/10/11 era, few of these features are things that meaningfully enhance the user experience. Incredibly, we're still running NTFS an

by STRML 2y ago

Arguably, especially in the 8/10/11 era, few of these features are things that meaningfully enhance the user experience. Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. In the 8 era, a huge number of massive projects were started, promoted, and mothballed.

gruez 2y ago
>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS So? Linux is still mostly on ext4, and even though there's theoretically zfs/btrfs, most people are still using ext4. Debian installer still only supports ext4. ext4 might be "newer" than NTFS (2006 vs 1993), but that's a purely naming thing. If you map ext2 and ext3 as NTFS versions[1], they have similar age. Moreover from a feature set perspective they're mostly equivalent. Both support journaling and various features like sparse files and resource forks. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#History
Cumpiler69 2y ago
>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. It's the painful cost of maintaining backwards compatibility. For context, I can still install and use Winamp 2.5 from 1999 on Windows 11. That's over 25 years of backwards compatibility. Not something most people need on a daily basis but still very cool.
- cosmotic 2y ago
  Even more impressive: binary backward compatibility
Arainach 2y ago
You say "still" as if NTFS hasn't evolved in that time. It still has a far more capable permissions model than any Linux filesystem. Raymond called it 21 years ago: when you change the insides, no one notices. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040525-00/?p=39193 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040525-00/?p=39...
- M95D 2y ago
  > It still has a far more capable permissions model than any Linux filesystem. And every time I format a new NTFS, the first thing I do before puting any files on it is set the drive root permissions Everyone = Full control + Replace child permissions with inheritable permissions. Because I absolutely hate being denied access to my own files.
  - Arainach 2y ago
    That is absolute madness. I assume you also recursively chmod 777 everything on your Linux systems? It's incredibly valuable to not allow anything which runs on your machine to immediately read and write anything, even on a single user system. You can change permissions later...

by STRML 2y ago

gruez 2y ago

>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS So? Linux is still mostly on ext4, and even though there's theoretically zfs/btrfs, most people are still using ext4. Debian installer still only supports ext4. ext4 might be "newer" than NTFS (2006 vs 1993), but that's a purely naming thing. If you map ext2 and ext3 as NTFS versions[1], they have similar age. Moreover from a feature set perspective they're mostly equivalent. Both support journaling and various features like sparse files and resource forks. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS#History

Cumpiler69 2y ago

>Incredibly, we're still running NTFS and dealing with hacks on hacks on hacks. It's the painful cost of maintaining backwards compatibility. For context, I can still install and use Winamp 2.5 from 1999 on Windows 11. That's over 25 years of backwards compatibility. Not something most people need on a daily basis but still very cool.

cosmotic 2y ago
Even more impressive: binary backward compatibility

Arainach 2y ago

You say "still" as if NTFS hasn't evolved in that time. It still has a far more capable permissions model than any Linux filesystem. Raymond called it 21 years ago: when you change the insides, no one notices. https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040525-00/?p=39193 https://devblogs.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20040525-00/?p=39...

M95D 2y ago
> It still has a far more capable permissions model than any Linux filesystem. And every time I format a new NTFS, the first thing I do before puting any files on it is set the drive root permissions Everyone = Full control + Replace child permissions with inheritable permissions. Because I absolutely hate being denied access to my own files.
- Arainach 2y ago
  That is absolute madness. I assume you also recursively chmod 777 everything on your Linux systems? It's incredibly valuable to not allow anything which runs on your machine to immediately read and write anything, even on a single user system. You can change permissions later...