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Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by I

Exactly, how about the much more relevant ethnic cleansing (according to the UN), with upwards of 30.000 women and children killed in Palestine perpetrated by Israel and Supported by the US right in this moment? Or the myriad of american wars that slaughtered millions in South America, Asia or the Middleeast for that sake. Both the US and China are empires and abide by brutal empire logic that washes their own history. These "but Tiananmen square" posts are grotesque to me as a europeean when coming from americans. Absolutely grotesque seen in the hyperviolent history of US foreign policy. Both are of course horrible.

ToucanLoucan 2y ago
You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.
- insane_dreamer 2y ago
  This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends). The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.
  - sudosysgen 2y ago
    The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-out-gaza-middle-east-intl https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou... The AP https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-egypt-jordan-c6bedbd6ca0702c22b80f1bf07cd4326 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg... Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-clean-out-plan-2020977 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl... I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters
      - sudosysgen 2y ago
        I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all? A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to. https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price. Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?
  - suraci 2y ago
    > but at least... so that it never happens again lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything and another war but at least
linkregister 2y ago
Virtually all countries within the European continent have been perpetrators of colonialism and genocide in the past 4 centuries, several in the last 90 years, and a few in the last 20 years. It is a banal observation. The reason why the string "tiananmen" is so frequently invoked is that it is a convenient litmus test for censorship/alignment/whatever-your-preferred-term by applications that must meet Chinese government regulations. There is no equivalent universal string that will cause applications to immediately error out in applications hosted in the EU or the US. Of course each US-hosted application has its own prohibited phrases or topics, but it is simple and convenient to use a single string for output filtering when testing.
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scarface_74 2y ago
But that isn’t censored by ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/share/67996ae1-1544-8010-8ec8-108e2155ea33 https://chatgpt.com/share/67996ae1-1544-8010-8ec8-108e2155ea... https://chatgpt.com/share/67996b50-7ea0-8010-8052-f24c30a61c20 https://chatgpt.com/share/67996b50-7ea0-8010-8052-f24c30a61c... Where is the censorship?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  They’ve fixed it since, but it used to differ on whether Israelis and Palestinians deserve justice. https://www.instagram.com/p/CydbE5sutDQ/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CydbE5sutDQ/
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suraci 2y ago
> Both the US and China are empires - who told you this - credible sources(3-letters) lol, still don't understand why americans still believe these shit after all things happened in all these years i mean, all these photos and videos pictured in gaza, but it's debatable whether isreal is commiting genocide in gaza but tiananmen massacre? it's so real bacause there're only photos of a tankman and some bicycles, ah, of course, therein are "evidence" by color revolution leaders, which, coincidentally, connected with US agencies even one of them admitted they're lied about this https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?si=yp2wXnIv4Z7MVHY4 https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?si=yp2wXnIv4Z7MVHY4 https://youtu.be/27T63QNLpqg?si=mxsqvyDKYm8KzqQ6 https://youtu.be/27T63QNLpqg?si=mxsqvyDKYm8KzqQ6 there'sa saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me but fool me at kosovo, then at iraq, then syria, then bucha, then xinjiang so i'll say, americans are not fooled, americans know these're lies clearly, americans just pretend to not

ToucanLoucan 2y ago

You'd be hard pressed to find any global power at this point that doesn't have some kind of human atrocity or another in it's backstory. Not saying that makes these posts okay, I fucking hate them too. Every time China farts on the global stage it invites pages upon pages of jingoistic Murican chest-beating as we're actively financing a genocide right now.

insane_dreamer 2y ago
This is for 2 reasons: 1) these are not just China's "backstory" but very much part of its present modus operandi; and 2) China tightly censors the flow of information domestically (GFW, control of all traditional and social media companies, etc.) in order to prevent any public discussion of these atrocities. As such they hardly enter the social consciousness at all or at most in very limited fashion (some offline discussion between close family, friends). The US has done a lot of fucked up shit (slavery, genocide of Native Americans, just to mention the two most egregious), but at least we can now call out those evils, there can be discussion, calls for reparations, and an awareness so that it never happens again. Germany and Nazism is another good example.
- sudosysgen 2y ago
  The American president just today proposed to do ethnic cleansing, and almost no American media outlet deigned to mention what it was. The US has been complicit in multiple genocides in the past 50 years, such atrocities are very much not just backstory and certainly are a present modus operandi as well. They've only even been backstory within living memory - they used to be inspirational stories.
  - scarface_74 2y ago
    CNN https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-out-gaza-middle-east-intl https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2025/01/27/middleeast/trump-clean-ou... The AP https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-egypt-jordan-c6bedbd6ca0702c22b80f1bf07cd4326 https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-trump-gaza-eg... Newsweek https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-clean-out-plan-2020977 https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-faces-backlash-gaza-cl... I found articles on ABC, CBS, NBC, and even Fox with its usual vile spin by the commenters
    - sudosysgen 2y ago
      I didn't say it wasn't reported, I said outlets did not mention that it is ethnic cleansing. At best they'll cite someone who they qualify as biased as suggesting it could be.
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        What part of the results of the last election make you think that the majority of the American public would care if Israel dropped poison on the Palestinians and killed them all? A large minority of the US literally thinks that Israel needs to be protected at all costs to make sure that when the rapture comes, Jesus will need some place to come back to. https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm https://www.arkdiscovery.com/rapture_israel.htm
        sudosysgen 2y ago
        How is this relevant to the fact that the US is actively misinforming the public on the actions of the US and it's allies by refusing to properly characterize clear actions? If anything it contributes to explaining your observation, not the reverse.
        scarface_74 2y ago
        The point I’m trying to make is that you attribute to ignorance what is actually indifference at best and willful malice at worse. You literally can’t convince people who think that saving Israel will lead to their eternal salvation is not worth any price. Do you remember in 2020 when the right was criticizing Fox News of being too liberal because they both called the election fairly and for the most part didn’t carry the MAGA line that the election was stolen?
- suraci 2y ago
  > but at least... so that it never happens again lmao, you just got the 2rd of Donald Trump sure, 4 years later everything will be corrected then sponsor another genocide or start another war with another lie and after another 4 year another orange prisident arrive to correct everything and another war but at least

linkregister 2y ago

Virtually all countries within the European continent have been perpetrators of colonialism and genocide in the past 4 centuries, several in the last 90 years, and a few in the last 20 years. It is a banal observation. The reason why the string "tiananmen" is so frequently invoked is that it is a convenient litmus test for censorship/alignment/whatever-your-preferred-term by applications that must meet Chinese government regulations. There is no equivalent universal string that will cause applications to immediately error out in applications hosted in the EU or the US. Of course each US-hosted application has its own prohibited phrases or topics, but it is simple and convenient to use a single string for output filtering when testing.

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scarface_74 2y ago

But that isn’t censored by ChatGPT https://chatgpt.com/share/67996ae1-1544-8010-8ec8-108e2155ea33 https://chatgpt.com/share/67996ae1-1544-8010-8ec8-108e2155ea... https://chatgpt.com/share/67996b50-7ea0-8010-8052-f24c30a61c20 https://chatgpt.com/share/67996b50-7ea0-8010-8052-f24c30a61c... Where is the censorship?

ceejayoz 2y ago
They’ve fixed it since, but it used to differ on whether Israelis and Palestinians deserve justice. https://www.instagram.com/p/CydbE5sutDQ/ https://www.instagram.com/p/CydbE5sutDQ/

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suraci 2y ago

> Both the US and China are empires - who told you this - credible sources(3-letters) lol, still don't understand why americans still believe these shit after all things happened in all these years i mean, all these photos and videos pictured in gaza, but it's debatable whether isreal is commiting genocide in gaza but tiananmen massacre? it's so real bacause there're only photos of a tankman and some bicycles, ah, of course, therein are "evidence" by color revolution leaders, which, coincidentally, connected with US agencies even one of them admitted they're lied about this https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?si=yp2wXnIv4Z7MVHY4 https://youtu.be/VSR9zgY1QgU?si=yp2wXnIv4Z7MVHY4 https://youtu.be/27T63QNLpqg?si=mxsqvyDKYm8KzqQ6 https://youtu.be/27T63QNLpqg?si=mxsqvyDKYm8KzqQ6 there'sa saying, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me but fool me at kosovo, then at iraq, then syria, then bucha, then xinjiang so i'll say, americans are not fooled, americans know these're lies clearly, americans just pretend to not