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Stuff like this troubles me. I am in defense tech working with LLMs and I am here to tell you the guards and fences are down at the chow truck while commoners a

Stuff like this troubles me. I am in defense tech working with LLMs and I am here to tell you the guards and fences are down at the chow truck while commoners are using LLMs.

nextworddev 2y ago
Wait till defense contractors start using DeepSeek with Aider..
- UltraSane 2y ago
  That would get the contractor fired on the spot along with whatever network engineer allowed it to happen.
brandon272 2y ago
> I am here to tell you the guards and fences are down at the chow truck while commoners are using LLMs. I've read this over and over and have no idea what this means.
- umeshunni 2y ago
  I hate to be that guy, but here's what ChatGPT says: This expression uses metaphorical language to describe a situation where traditional barriers, hierarchies, or protections have been removed, allowing broader access or disrupting the status quo. Here's a breakdown: 1. "Guards and fences are down" - This implies that the usual controls, restrictions, or gatekeepers are no longer in place. 2. "At the chow truck" - The chow truck symbolizes something previously exclusive or regulated, like access to resources, opportunities, or knowledge. 3. "While commoners are using LLMs" - Refers to everyday people (as opposed to elites or specialists) now having access to advanced technology, specifically Large Language Models (LLMs), like AI tools for generating text. Together, the expression likely means that AI-powered tools have democratized access to knowledge and creativity, breaking down barriers that once limited these capabilities to experts, institutions, or privileged individuals. It highlights a significant shift where advanced tools are now accessible to "commoners," disrupting traditional power dynamics.
  - topaz0 2y ago
    You can choose to not be that guy.
  - deleted 2y ago
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  - lostmsu 2y ago
    I read this and I still am uncertain about what it means. I believe ChatGPT also failed to understand this, it differs from my interpretation: GGP is worried that while people access "aligned" models military deployment don't have the guardrails.
    - hfgjbcgjbvg 2y ago
      Basically he’s worried about gen pop having access to LLMs thinking only govts should have access to the technology for some strange reason. Probably because he works in defence contracting so he benefits directly from having that stance.
    - soupfordummies 2y ago
      This is some much needed comic relief. It’s as if buddy just came in the topic and casually dropped a rhetorical puzzle that even AI and the bright minds on HN can’t figure out. Guess he’s down at the chow truck now.
      - butlike 2y ago
        We're all down at the chow truck now; metaphorically-speaking.
- ebiester 2y ago
  I think it means people in the military and contractors are already using openai and other tools and nobody is able to stop them, even if it leaks secrets.
nzach 2y ago
I don't really understand why people bash so hard on LLMs. In some cases it is a spectacularly bad tool, I get that. But it is only a tool. Imagine if you have a judge giving out sentences based on astrology books. I don't think anyone would argue the problem would be resolved by banning astrology books from our libraries.
- adamtaylor_13 2y ago
  .... WAT. Just kick out the judge who clearly... lacks judgment.
  - KaiserPro 2y ago
    congratulations on missing the point of the hypothetical example
- dylan604 2y ago
  First graph, okay. Second graph, the wheels come off in spectacular fashion (unless you're from Florida). Banning books does not ban knowledge. It just makes it a bit more inconvenient. Banning drugs has not stopped people from getting access.
- aeturnum 2y ago
  Sure, that judge is a problem, but I think your metaphor is a bit mal-formed. In your example you should probably drop the judge, but you should also make a rule saying astrology books aren't a legitimate source of sentence guidance. That's what people are annoyed about re:LLMs. People keep insisting they are a legit source in different situations. You wouldn't ban them overall, but you do want some kind of society-level taboo against relying on them. You can't just deal with it on the level of people who get fooled into using them.
  - nzach 2y ago
    >you should also make a rule saying astrology books aren't a legitimate source of sentence guidance My example was absurd on purpose, I didn't want to bring an example where people could respond with "well, actually..." But in the real world that is rarely the case, imagine substituting "astrology book" for "Bible/Quran/..." Would that be considered a legitimate source of sentence guidance? I'm sure people would spend years arguing about that... As a society we need to understand that LLM hallucination is no different than a bloom filter giving you a false-positive.
jcfrei 2y ago
The real revolution will come (hopefully) when voters start using LLMs to figure out which of their representatives actually vote for policies that improve their life.
- netdevphoenix 2y ago
  is that not happening yet? It will be the equivalent of people search for that kind of info on Google

Stuff like this troubles me. I am in defense tech working with LLMs and I am here to tell you the guards and fences are down at the chow truck while commoners are using LLMs.

nextworddev 2y ago

Wait till defense contractors start using DeepSeek with Aider..

UltraSane 2y ago
That would get the contractor fired on the spot along with whatever network engineer allowed it to happen.

brandon272 2y ago

> I am here to tell you the guards and fences are down at the chow truck while commoners are using LLMs. I've read this over and over and have no idea what this means.

umeshunni 2y ago
I hate to be that guy, but here's what ChatGPT says: This expression uses metaphorical language to describe a situation where traditional barriers, hierarchies, or protections have been removed, allowing broader access or disrupting the status quo. Here's a breakdown: 1. "Guards and fences are down" - This implies that the usual controls, restrictions, or gatekeepers are no longer in place. 2. "At the chow truck" - The chow truck symbolizes something previously exclusive or regulated, like access to resources, opportunities, or knowledge. 3. "While commoners are using LLMs" - Refers to everyday people (as opposed to elites or specialists) now having access to advanced technology, specifically Large Language Models (LLMs), like AI tools for generating text. Together, the expression likely means that AI-powered tools have democratized access to knowledge and creativity, breaking down barriers that once limited these capabilities to experts, institutions, or privileged individuals. It highlights a significant shift where advanced tools are now accessible to "commoners," disrupting traditional power dynamics.
- topaz0 2y ago
  You can choose to not be that guy.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
- lostmsu 2y ago
  I read this and I still am uncertain about what it means. I believe ChatGPT also failed to understand this, it differs from my interpretation: GGP is worried that while people access "aligned" models military deployment don't have the guardrails.
  - hfgjbcgjbvg 2y ago
    Basically he’s worried about gen pop having access to LLMs thinking only govts should have access to the technology for some strange reason. Probably because he works in defence contracting so he benefits directly from having that stance.
  - soupfordummies 2y ago
    This is some much needed comic relief. It’s as if buddy just came in the topic and casually dropped a rhetorical puzzle that even AI and the bright minds on HN can’t figure out. Guess he’s down at the chow truck now.
    - butlike 2y ago
      We're all down at the chow truck now; metaphorically-speaking.
ebiester 2y ago
I think it means people in the military and contractors are already using openai and other tools and nobody is able to stop them, even if it leaks secrets.

nzach 2y ago

I don't really understand why people bash so hard on LLMs. In some cases it is a spectacularly bad tool, I get that. But it is only a tool. Imagine if you have a judge giving out sentences based on astrology books. I don't think anyone would argue the problem would be resolved by banning astrology books from our libraries.

adamtaylor_13 2y ago
.... WAT. Just kick out the judge who clearly... lacks judgment.
- KaiserPro 2y ago
  congratulations on missing the point of the hypothetical example
dylan604 2y ago
First graph, okay. Second graph, the wheels come off in spectacular fashion (unless you're from Florida). Banning books does not ban knowledge. It just makes it a bit more inconvenient. Banning drugs has not stopped people from getting access.
aeturnum 2y ago
Sure, that judge is a problem, but I think your metaphor is a bit mal-formed. In your example you should probably drop the judge, but you should also make a rule saying astrology books aren't a legitimate source of sentence guidance. That's what people are annoyed about re:LLMs. People keep insisting they are a legit source in different situations. You wouldn't ban them overall, but you do want some kind of society-level taboo against relying on them. You can't just deal with it on the level of people who get fooled into using them.
- nzach 2y ago
  >you should also make a rule saying astrology books aren't a legitimate source of sentence guidance My example was absurd on purpose, I didn't want to bring an example where people could respond with "well, actually..." But in the real world that is rarely the case, imagine substituting "astrology book" for "Bible/Quran/..." Would that be considered a legitimate source of sentence guidance? I'm sure people would spend years arguing about that... As a society we need to understand that LLM hallucination is no different than a bloom filter giving you a false-positive.

jcfrei 2y ago

The real revolution will come (hopefully) when voters start using LLMs to figure out which of their representatives actually vote for policies that improve their life.

netdevphoenix 2y ago
is that not happening yet? It will be the equivalent of people search for that kind of info on Google