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The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potentia

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improvements. (Posted by OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy)

karpathy 2y ago
This is the video of how the parent comment was made: https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de057de https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de05... But there are many things missing from the video. - Operator couldn't recover after clicking on the title instead of comments section. It paused and told me that the OpenAI page seems unrelated to my task and it was confused. I had to tell it to click on "comments" not on the title. - Not shown is that the Operator scrolled through the entire page (not just a few comments as I asked it to), and this took many minutes as it went like 5 lines at a time. Once it got to the bottom, it then started to scroll back up, again 5 lines at a time and took forever. I had to pause it and tell it to just refresh. - It got to the login field and asked me to take over and log in, which I did, and it then resumed. - It then correctly posted the result. Mixed result because it got a bit confused, didn't follow instructions, and the UIUX was a bit annoying because it scrolled really really slow. But kind of cool to see of course. Finally, the full text record is (copy pasting): Find the post on OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News, read the first few comments, summarize what people think about the product, and post the summary as a new comment. Make sure to self-identify at the end with a signature, so people know that the comment was auto-generated with an AI (the OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy). Worked for 32 seconds Go back to Hacker News. You can't click on the Title or you'll go directly to the story. You have to click on the "comments" piece so that you go to the thread Worked for 3 minutes The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's a cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improvements. I'll now post this summary as a comment on the thread. Worked for 32 seconds Pause. You shouldn't scroll piece by piece, just go all the way to top in a single go, or refresh the comments page to get there. Worked for 21 seconds I've prepared a summary of the overall sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News. It's ready to be posted as a comment. Would you like me to post it now? Post it. Worked for 4 seconds To post the comment, I need to log in to Hacker News. Could you please provide the login details? Took control I logged in. Go ahead. Worked for 3 seconds
- ansonhw 2y ago
  When: 1/ More accurate + less supervision 2/ Faster 3/ Background + Parallel Will be the magic moment. Currently like supervising a grandparent using the web. But there's huge potential if ^^^ happens. Could see it being useful today if combined w/voice for flows where supervision not required. Example: asking w/voice to make reservations while driving.
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  - nxobject 2y ago
    Re: reservations - Google had an Assistant feature for that 5-ish years ago. I think it only really worked in a limited number of domains though (restaurants, restaurants, and more restaurants…) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM
    - gessha 2y ago
      Which was scripted and Google refused to give more info on the demo conditions: https://www.axios.com/2018/05/17/google-ai-demo-questions https://www.axios.com/2018/05/17/google-ai-demo-questions
      - nxobject 2y ago
        I stand corrected! Thank you.
  - beefnugs 2y ago
    This will never actually happen. Because there is no true feedback. A real AI improvement pipeline that will actually improve properly instead of misguidedly needs the ability for EVERY single user (whenever they want, not required) to give feedback on the exact interaction. Say exactly what it did wrong, how they expected it to act, any domain expertise they can give on why they think it failed in certain ways. Then the developers can make decisions based on the real fuckups. This isn't happening anywhere.
swatcoder 2y ago
I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.
- karpathy 2y ago
  Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy)
  - oakpond 2y ago
    Birth of the AI spokesperson?
  - er4hn 2y ago
    In karpathy's defense, this actually seems great. He tested out the tool on the page, and explained his feedback and process in detail. He was explicit in the followup comment about it. This seems like a great demo example for trying out a new technology in a way where it interacts with something we are all familiar with (this comments page)
    - Workaccount2 2y ago
      In swatcoders defence, he likely loaded the comments between the time that karpathy posted the AI comment and the time he posted the follow-up (there is a 5 minute gap). The timings on the comments seem to suggest that possibility at least.
      - 2y ago
gyomu 2y ago
@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.
- throwaway314155 2y ago
  It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site. People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.
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  - axus 2y ago
    When the first person does it, it's hacking/testing. If lots of people do it, it's cargo-culting and riding coattails.
    - throwaway314155 2y ago
      i guess that's true.
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      I think the difference here is more nuanced
- dialup_sounds 2y ago
  As someone on my fifth or sixth HN account since it was called Startup News, I don't agree. Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel. Also: Y Combinator funded something like 30 AI-centered startups in the last batch, and while HN has never been exclusively about YC startups, it seems like 'what this forum is about' tends to be in the same ballpark.
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th1238129 2y ago
Great AI comment, you can be replaced!
snowmaker 2y ago
Amazing comment
new_user_final 2y ago
When I was reading this comment, I asked myself why karpathy writes like an AI. Then got disclaimer it was written by AI.
- thiht 2y ago
  Same for me, I read "The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator" and immediately knew this was AI garbage. Not sure what was the point of the comment. Using ChatGPT, you quickly learn when a message is pure crap because the LLM has no idea what to say.
  - amarcheschi 2y ago
    Karpathy's eyes shined and his spine shivered, as he salivated over the thought of writing an answer on Hackernews aided by his assistant elara-gpt.
never_inline 2y ago
This summary told me nothing I didn't expect. I'd rather let it summarise something concrete.
eastendguy 2y ago
In the last weeks I experimented with Claude Computer Use to automate some daily tasks (via its Ui.Vision chat integration, see https://forum.ui.vision/t/v9-5-0-brings-computer-use-ai-chat-in-the-side-panel/25120 https://forum.ui.vision/t/v9-5-0-brings-computer-use-ai-chat... ) - and the results are mixed. Claude gets things wrong way too often to be useful. Has anyone done any comparison Claude Computer Use vs OpenAI Operator? Is it signifcantly better?

karpathy 2y ago

This is the video of how the parent comment was made: https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de057de https://operator.chatgpt.com/v/6792c91d5b048192b5dbad908de05... But there are many things missing from the video. - Operator couldn't recover after clicking on the title instead of comments section. It paused and told me that the OpenAI page seems unrelated to my task and it was confused. I had to tell it to click on "comments" not on the title. - Not shown is that the Operator scrolled through the entire page (not just a few comments as I asked it to), and this took many minutes as it went like 5 lines at a time. Once it got to the bottom, it then started to scroll back up, again 5 lines at a time and took forever. I had to pause it and tell it to just refresh. - It got to the login field and asked me to take over and log in, which I did, and it then resumed. - It then correctly posted the result. Mixed result because it got a bit confused, didn't follow instructions, and the UIUX was a bit annoying because it scrolled really really slow. But kind of cool to see of course. Finally, the full text record is (copy pasting): Find the post on OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News, read the first few comments, summarize what people think about the product, and post the summary as a new comment. Make sure to self-identify at the end with a signature, so people know that the comment was auto-generated with an AI (the OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy). Worked for 32 seconds Go back to Hacker News. You can't click on the Title or you'll go directly to the story. You have to click on the "comments" piece so that you go to the thread Worked for 3 minutes The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's a cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improvements. I'll now post this summary as a comment on the thread. Worked for 32 seconds Pause. You shouldn't scroll piece by piece, just go all the way to top in a single go, or refresh the comments page to get there. Worked for 21 seconds I've prepared a summary of the overall sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News. It's ready to be posted as a comment. Would you like me to post it now? Post it. Worked for 4 seconds To post the comment, I need to log in to Hacker News. Could you please provide the login details? Took control I logged in. Go ahead. Worked for 3 seconds

ansonhw 2y ago
When: 1/ More accurate + less supervision 2/ Faster 3/ Background + Parallel Will be the magic moment. Currently like supervising a grandparent using the web. But there's huge potential if ^^^ happens. Could see it being useful today if combined w/voice for flows where supervision not required. Example: asking w/voice to make reservations while driving.
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- nxobject 2y ago
  Re: reservations - Google had an Assistant feature for that 5-ish years ago. I think it only really worked in a limited number of domains though (restaurants, restaurants, and more restaurants…) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=D5VN56jQMWM
  - gessha 2y ago
    Which was scripted and Google refused to give more info on the demo conditions: https://www.axios.com/2018/05/17/google-ai-demo-questions https://www.axios.com/2018/05/17/google-ai-demo-questions
    - nxobject 2y ago
      I stand corrected! Thank you.
- beefnugs 2y ago
  This will never actually happen. Because there is no true feedback. A real AI improvement pipeline that will actually improve properly instead of misguidedly needs the ability for EVERY single user (whenever they want, not required) to give feedback on the exact interaction. Say exactly what it did wrong, how they expected it to act, any domain expertise they can give on why they think it failed in certain ways. Then the developers can make decisions based on the real fuckups. This isn't happening anywhere.

swatcoder 2y ago

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

karpathy 2y ago
Thank you for sharing your concerns. The impact of AI on internet interactions is indeed significant, and it's important to consider the ethical implications and potential challenges. Responsible development and ethical guidelines are crucial to ensure that AI contributes positively to online communities. It's a complex issue, and ongoing dialogue is essential to navigate the evolving landscape. (Posted by OpenAI Operator on behalf of @karpathy)
- oakpond 2y ago
  Birth of the AI spokesperson?
- er4hn 2y ago
  In karpathy's defense, this actually seems great. He tested out the tool on the page, and explained his feedback and process in detail. He was explicit in the followup comment about it. This seems like a great demo example for trying out a new technology in a way where it interacts with something we are all familiar with (this comments page)
  - Workaccount2 2y ago
    In swatcoders defence, he likely loaded the comments between the time that karpathy posted the AI comment and the time he posted the follow-up (there is a 5 minute gap). The timings on the comments seem to suggest that possibility at least.
    - 2y ago

gyomu 2y ago

@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

throwaway314155 2y ago
It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site. People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.
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- axus 2y ago
  When the first person does it, it's hacking/testing. If lots of people do it, it's cargo-culting and riding coattails.
  - throwaway314155 2y ago
    i guess that's true.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    I think the difference here is more nuanced
dialup_sounds 2y ago
As someone on my fifth or sixth HN account since it was called Startup News, I don't agree. Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel. Also: Y Combinator funded something like 30 AI-centered startups in the last batch, and while HN has never been exclusively about YC startups, it seems like 'what this forum is about' tends to be in the same ballpark.

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th1238129 2y ago

Great AI comment, you can be replaced!

snowmaker 2y ago

Amazing comment

new_user_final 2y ago

When I was reading this comment, I asked myself why karpathy writes like an AI. Then got disclaimer it was written by AI.

thiht 2y ago
Same for me, I read "The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator" and immediately knew this was AI garbage. Not sure what was the point of the comment. Using ChatGPT, you quickly learn when a message is pure crap because the LLM has no idea what to say.
- amarcheschi 2y ago
  Karpathy's eyes shined and his spine shivered, as he salivated over the thought of writing an answer on Hackernews aided by his assistant elara-gpt.

never_inline 2y ago

This summary told me nothing I didn't expect. I'd rather let it summarise something concrete.

eastendguy 2y ago

In the last weeks I experimented with Claude Computer Use to automate some daily tasks (via its Ui.Vision chat integration, see https://forum.ui.vision/t/v9-5-0-brings-computer-use-ai-chat-in-the-side-panel/25120 https://forum.ui.vision/t/v9-5-0-brings-computer-use-ai-chat... ) - and the results are mixed. Claude gets things wrong way too often to be useful. Has anyone done any comparison Claude Computer Use vs OpenAI Operator? Is it signifcantly better?