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That's literally unambiguously a nazi salute. I've seen them before, from actual nazis. Because I am descended from one unfortunately. It's shameful and at no

That's literally unambiguously a nazi salute. I've seen them before, from actual nazis. Because I am descended from one unfortunately. It's shameful and at no point does any word play and excuse making around it make it ok. This needs to stop now. Right now. Add to that the literal support for the far right parties definitely and conclusively aligned with nazi ideology, such as the AfD, it's terrible for everyone.

gadders 2y ago
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- gazchop 2y ago
  If it's the ADL, they don't speak for everyone and they do not speak for me. I'm literally German descended, living in the UK with little to no shit given about Trump whatsoever at all. This is Musk. What I do have a problem with is my friends and my families having a history going back nearly 100 years of misery, death and loss from the ideological constructs he's pushing for the last few years. You can be a statesman and show respect, honour and decorum or you can be like that. There is no place in our political landscape anywhere for this. So quite frankly stop gaslighting. You need to understand that despite what people believe in the US, Europe is ideologically different and has a longer memory. There are literally reminders everywhere around us every day of last time.
  - gadders 2y ago
    I'm British. My grandparents were probably bombed by yours. I'll admit he's not one for showing decorum. I don't see any ideological constructs pushed by Elon that are remotely similar to those pushed by the Nazi party.
    - threeseed 2y ago
      Musk has: a) routinely demonised immigrants. b) espoused the Great Replacement Theory. c) endorsed a tweet saying that black people have inherently lower IQ. d) perpetuated lies about companies prioritising diversity over safety. There are hundreds of examples I could list. But suffice to say his ideologies have a significant overlap with the Nazi ideology. And the recent salutes should give you no delusion about what his inspiration is.
    - gazchop 2y ago
      My grandparents were bombing each other. So you literally missed the bit where he was going on about antisemitic conspiracy theories being "the actual truth"? Crikey. Appears no one has any context these days.
    - orwin 2y ago
      So you've never read nazi propaganda, good for you. Where do you think the 'great replacement' theory came from? Renaud Camus, unlike most far-right people, actually read books (I'm as surprised as you are, it's not in their culture), especially Charle Maurras, and reactualized the late 19th century theory, dressing up the most blatant anti-Semitism but keeping the meat. What's interesting is that it is clear that Maurras is a way better writer than Renaud Camus, even if it's very dated. For the far-right of the 21st century, I don't expect much. The fact that they read is already impressive enough.
- threeseed 2y ago
  a) This isn't about Trump. It's about Musk. b) There are leading Nazi experts who have said it is a Nazi salute. c) ADL has far broader goals on its mind than what idiotic thing Musk does or doesn't do so their statement needs to be put in context and taken with a grain of salt.
kragen 2y ago
The ADL, who is defending him, is the world's foremost anti-neo-Nazi organization. If they say not to worry, I'm going to trust their judgment, even though the photos look pretty questionable to me as a layman.
- kragen 2y ago
  I was wrong; Musk endorsed the AfD, so he is a neo-Nazi. The ADL and I were wrong. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-german-far-right-afd-holocaust https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-germa...
- gazchop 2y ago
  I think you need to watch the videos not look at the photos as the videos show more unambiguous context and do not come with a narrative explaining them away. These are plain and simple nazi salutes.
  - dathinab 2y ago
    actually if you understand a bit of the meaning behind the salute and how Nazis appropriated terms like "unify", "heal" and a "new beginning" [for Germany] then some of the quotes which they use to weaken the argument of it being a "Sieg Heil" actually strengthen it.
- mtmail 2y ago
  Look at the video, it's not a bad angle or misinterpretation. And he did it twice.
- pjc50 2y ago
  The ADL have ended up in a weird place where the important thing to them is pro-Israel anti-Palestine policy, and everything is downstream from there. The ADL last called out Musk for reinstating and awarding a tick to Kanye West after West made anti-semitic remarks which got him banned from Twitter. However, that's not as important to them as maintaining the war in Gaza.
- dathinab 2y ago

gadders 2y ago

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gazchop 2y ago
If it's the ADL, they don't speak for everyone and they do not speak for me. I'm literally German descended, living in the UK with little to no shit given about Trump whatsoever at all. This is Musk. What I do have a problem with is my friends and my families having a history going back nearly 100 years of misery, death and loss from the ideological constructs he's pushing for the last few years. You can be a statesman and show respect, honour and decorum or you can be like that. There is no place in our political landscape anywhere for this. So quite frankly stop gaslighting. You need to understand that despite what people believe in the US, Europe is ideologically different and has a longer memory. There are literally reminders everywhere around us every day of last time.
- gadders 2y ago
  I'm British. My grandparents were probably bombed by yours. I'll admit he's not one for showing decorum. I don't see any ideological constructs pushed by Elon that are remotely similar to those pushed by the Nazi party.
  - threeseed 2y ago
    Musk has: a) routinely demonised immigrants. b) espoused the Great Replacement Theory. c) endorsed a tweet saying that black people have inherently lower IQ. d) perpetuated lies about companies prioritising diversity over safety. There are hundreds of examples I could list. But suffice to say his ideologies have a significant overlap with the Nazi ideology. And the recent salutes should give you no delusion about what his inspiration is.
  - gazchop 2y ago
    My grandparents were bombing each other. So you literally missed the bit where he was going on about antisemitic conspiracy theories being "the actual truth"? Crikey. Appears no one has any context these days.
  - orwin 2y ago
    So you've never read nazi propaganda, good for you. Where do you think the 'great replacement' theory came from? Renaud Camus, unlike most far-right people, actually read books (I'm as surprised as you are, it's not in their culture), especially Charle Maurras, and reactualized the late 19th century theory, dressing up the most blatant anti-Semitism but keeping the meat. What's interesting is that it is clear that Maurras is a way better writer than Renaud Camus, even if it's very dated. For the far-right of the 21st century, I don't expect much. The fact that they read is already impressive enough.
threeseed 2y ago
a) This isn't about Trump. It's about Musk. b) There are leading Nazi experts who have said it is a Nazi salute. c) ADL has far broader goals on its mind than what idiotic thing Musk does or doesn't do so their statement needs to be put in context and taken with a grain of salt.

kragen 2y ago

The ADL, who is defending him, is the world's foremost anti-neo-Nazi organization. If they say not to worry, I'm going to trust their judgment, even though the photos look pretty questionable to me as a layman.

kragen 2y ago
I was wrong; Musk endorsed the AfD, so he is a neo-Nazi. The ADL and I were wrong. https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-german-far-right-afd-holocaust https://www.npr.org/2025/01/27/nx-s1-5276084/elon-musk-germa...
gazchop 2y ago
I think you need to watch the videos not look at the photos as the videos show more unambiguous context and do not come with a narrative explaining them away. These are plain and simple nazi salutes.
- dathinab 2y ago
  actually if you understand a bit of the meaning behind the salute and how Nazis appropriated terms like "unify", "heal" and a "new beginning" [for Germany] then some of the quotes which they use to weaken the argument of it being a "Sieg Heil" actually strengthen it.
mtmail 2y ago
Look at the video, it's not a bad angle or misinterpretation. And he did it twice.
pjc50 2y ago
The ADL have ended up in a weird place where the important thing to them is pro-Israel anti-Palestine policy, and everything is downstream from there. The ADL last called out Musk for reinstating and awarding a tick to Kanye West after West made anti-semitic remarks which got him banned from Twitter. However, that's not as important to them as maintaining the war in Gaza.
dathinab 2y ago