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The point he is making is that a lot of stuff that you are told you need. You actually don't. Especially if you are working by yourself or in a very small team.

The point he is making is that a lot of stuff that you are told you need. You actually don't. Especially if you are working by yourself or in a very small team. Getting stuff working is much more important. I'd rather people concentrate on stuff like CI, Unit Tests and Deployments.

ben_w 2y ago
I've seen plenty of projects where people had that attitude except the thing they saw as time-wasting was the CI and Unit Tests. Those projects weren't even dumpster fires. You can, genuinely, do without all of this stuff — but they're just helpful tools, not silver bullets or the only way to do things, but helpful.
- GasVeteran 2y ago
  Never said it was a silver bullet. I said I would rather people concentrate on more important things than configuring a linter. Half the time this stuff gives you weird errors that don't make a lot of sense (especially with JavaScript/TypeScript), sometimes you are literally making the compiler warning go away because there is literally nothing wrong with the code. I do use eslint/prettier btw, but other collegues can never seem to get this working so I've just given up on it and then fix the linter issues whenever I come across them.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > Never said it was a silver bullet. Between this and your other comment*, you seem to be simultaneously expecting me to be more and also less literal in how I read your comments. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42786325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42786325
    - GasVeteran 2y ago
      I expect you to be able to use your brain to distinguish obvious hyperbole (it was absolutely obvious) with a matter of fact statement. I am starting to suspect that this playing dumb is entirely disingenuous.
      - ben_w 2y ago
        You've never met people who take what you now call obvious hyperbole absolutely seriously and literally? I guess you're going to continue to get surprised by how often you get criticised in this specific way, by many, many other people. Hint: when someone doesn't understand you, you were in fact not obvious, no matter what you think — communication is a multiplayer game, not a single-player endeavour.
        GasVeteran 2y ago
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- zahlman 2y ago
  I like unit tests, and I would happily adopt a CI system if my project included non-Python code and had to build multiple wheels. But formatting code properly in my editor is second nature by now; the functions I write are typically so short that it'd be hard to do anything a linter would object to; and type-checking doesn't just introduce busy-work, it works against part of the reason I'm using Python in the first place. I actively don't want to tell people not to call my code with a perfectly compatible type just because I hadn't considered it as within the range of possible compatible types.

ben_w 2y ago

I've seen plenty of projects where people had that attitude except the thing they saw as time-wasting was the CI and Unit Tests. Those projects weren't even dumpster fires. You can, genuinely, do without all of this stuff — but they're just helpful tools, not silver bullets or the only way to do things, but helpful.

GasVeteran 2y ago
Never said it was a silver bullet. I said I would rather people concentrate on more important things than configuring a linter. Half the time this stuff gives you weird errors that don't make a lot of sense (especially with JavaScript/TypeScript), sometimes you are literally making the compiler warning go away because there is literally nothing wrong with the code. I do use eslint/prettier btw, but other collegues can never seem to get this working so I've just given up on it and then fix the linter issues whenever I come across them.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > Never said it was a silver bullet. Between this and your other comment*, you seem to be simultaneously expecting me to be more and also less literal in how I read your comments. * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42786325 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42786325
  - GasVeteran 2y ago
    I expect you to be able to use your brain to distinguish obvious hyperbole (it was absolutely obvious) with a matter of fact statement. I am starting to suspect that this playing dumb is entirely disingenuous.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      You've never met people who take what you now call obvious hyperbole absolutely seriously and literally? I guess you're going to continue to get surprised by how often you get criticised in this specific way, by many, many other people. Hint: when someone doesn't understand you, you were in fact not obvious, no matter what you think — communication is a multiplayer game, not a single-player endeavour.
      - GasVeteran 2y ago
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zahlman 2y ago
I like unit tests, and I would happily adopt a CI system if my project included non-Python code and had to build multiple wheels. But formatting code properly in my editor is second nature by now; the functions I write are typically so short that it'd be hard to do anything a linter would object to; and type-checking doesn't just introduce busy-work, it works against part of the reason I'm using Python in the first place. I actively don't want to tell people not to call my code with a perfectly compatible type just because I hadn't considered it as within the range of possible compatible types.