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I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc.

I love electronic music. Been listening to it for 30 years. Mostly drumbass, dubstep, some house. Groups like subfocus. I used to listen to tiesto, bt, etc. One, I hated the term "raving". I was thought raves were finding an abandoned house, playing music and drugs. I just like the music and don't need the dance clubs or the drugs. But with the said, I think the "club" scene has dropped off. Expensive drinks. Expensive covers. Who wants that. Has the music droppped off? I think it kind of merged into more mainstream music.

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Cthulhu_ 2y ago
Exactly, the organized events are just too expensive; when I think of "someone who goes to raves", they have the means to do so every weekend or at least once a month, but who can afford that kind of thing nowadays when prices have gone way up while income has stagnated?
milesward 2y ago
amen to BT
mtalantikite 2y ago
This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves". I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of drinks to say thanks, and for three drinks I paid $75. Plus they made me load a credit card on some stupid wristband to even get the drinks. What 20-something can afford to do that with any regularity? Their rent is already 2-3x what I paid when I moved to Brooklyn nearly 20 years ago. I don't buy the "young kids don't want to go out late anymore". They just never encountered scenes that were consistently relaxed, fun, and cheap.
- jterrys 2y ago
  A lot of entertainment is priced in and the powers that be lament that young people aren't falling for it anymore. You like sports? Well, you need a subscription to see their away games, a subscription to see their home games, and a separate subscription to see their games in season, and a subscription to see their off season. You want to see them in person? well..... You like music? Well, the cost of a ticket to see your favorite artist is $80 + $60 in fees. Online purchase fee. Printing fee. Seat Reservation fee. etc. Wanna go out for a few drinks? That'll be $8 for shitty beer on tap Want to go anywhere? Time to reserve your parking spot, or pay your parking ticket. Public transport outside NY? lol. Can't really get drunk or high now either since you need to kinda be sober enough to get back. Or fuck it! Uber and pay an extra $50 in surge charge fees! Want to go to the museum on the weekend while you visit a city? Well, too bad, it's very congested so the museum has surge charged the price of the ticket to $70 (the Shedd Aquarium special in Chicago). I'm good I think I'll just stay home and jerk off
  - quesomaster9000 2y ago
    > I'm good I think I'll just stay home and jerk off Exactly. There's a fine line between convenience and the cost of doing it yourself, like getting a decent smash burger or firing half of the devops team. The most ridiculous thing is having venues trying to casually extort you at every possible opportunity, without the implicit advantage of a few very subtle but 'approved' dealers lurking around while making sure everybody is having a safe but very fun time. It's like an escalator to nowhere
- quotz 2y ago
  Brooklyn Mirage is hardly a rave place, just a club. Went last year it was pretty terrible. The sound was so quiet I could talk with my gf without yelling. There was also a food vendor inside the venue for whatever weird reason. Paid $300 for tickets and 2 drinks. I heard basement is a good place but never been. Europe's techno parties and raves are still going strong and no food vendors inside ofcourse we are not that lame.
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daxfohl 2y ago
Enshittification
evanelias 2y ago
> One, I hated the term "raving" Completely agreed on the terminology. When I got into the scene (late 90s, Philly and Baltimore), everyone legit totally avoided saying "rave" or "raving" when talking with other folks in the scene. We all just said "party", and it was clear what you were talking about based on context (and, for better or worse, clothing style). No one said "ravers" either, it was always "party kids" instead, at least among the younger end of the crowd. "Party" could interchangeably refer to either a "one-off" event or a club weekly/monthly, and similarly made no connotations as to whether or not the venue was licensed/above-board. Unlicensed one-offs were referred to as "outlaw", "warehouse party", etc. There were also unlicensed venues which threw regular weekly/monthly parties and these were absolutely amazing, so I'm a bit perplexed by the folks here saying a "real" rave is only an unlicensed one-off. In any case, in my area, as a term "rave" was largely only used by news media, law enforcement, and outsiders who completely misunderstood what the scene was about. The only major exception was internet discussions – web sites like ravelinks.com, newsgroups like alt.rave. But even there, "rave" in the name just helped people find the sites, and still wasn't a term thrown around much in actual discussions. > Has the music droppped off? No, it's better than ever in my opinion, especially for non-mainstream house-adjacent music. There are a ton of talented producers who are seamlessly merging many genres and influences... folks are combining classic UK rave synths (well, really from Belgian New Beat originally) with Italo-disco, or taking trance and adding in happy hardcore elements, etc. Many classic samples and sounds, but given a new twist, it's great. That said, I used to be a major drum and bass head back in the day, but largely lost interest in that genre as it became less danceable over the years. Not to mention my knees aren't what they used to be...
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  >No one said "ravers" either, it was always "party kids" instead, at least among the younger end of the crowd. Over in Japan the term was party people which slurred into pary people and finally paripi which is the term today. Just some interesting culture from the other side of the pond.
  - thrawn0r 2y ago
    thanks for that piece of trope :)
Der_Einzige 2y ago
Glad you brought up some of the musicians (Tiesto). Looking back on "Trance" and "House" as genres they seem really vapid, vain, and dare I say it, decadent. Reading about the "mecca" of these genres, Ibiza, makes me wish I'd never listened to this stuff growing up.
- linuxdude314 2y ago
  Virtue signaling your dislike of music because of the environment it is played in is asinine. Do you wish you’d never listened to Mozart? He was a serial misogynist after all. I can understand parents not wanting their children to listen to music with explicit lyrics, but for an adult to feel this way? Music is not decadent.
  - otabdeveloper4 2y ago
    > Music is not decadent. It can be. Primitive music eliciting primitive emotions is certainly decadent.
glitchcrab 2y ago
Nitpick, but it's Sub Focus and he is one person https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Focus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Focus
portaouflop 2y ago
Electronic underground is still well and alive. Sure there is lots of mainstream electronica now but if you look a bit you’ll find tons of new fresh stuff. Sure you can organise raves in illegal locations but a club can still be about the music and can be a more sustainable “home” for the music. Sure it’s a lot more expensive but then again everything is - the clubs just need to survive somehow. Tbh I live in Berlin, where rave culture is most alive probably
- quesomaster9000 2y ago
  Some of the best events I've ever been to have been where a collective has organized the Nth annual event etc. which has taken over an entire location or venue and brought in a really diverse but very friendly crowd with them from all over the place. But yes, every other day of the week, it's like a restaurant that serves music, the machine must go on, rent gets paid, food in bellies etc.
hnlmorg 2y ago
> Has the music droppped off? I think it kind of merged into more mainstream music. There’s still plenty of “underground” dance music and events going on. The main stream stuff is just another sub genre of electronic music.

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Cthulhu_ 2y ago

Exactly, the organized events are just too expensive; when I think of "someone who goes to raves", they have the means to do so every weekend or at least once a month, but who can afford that kind of thing nowadays when prices have gone way up while income has stagnated?

milesward 2y ago

amen to BT

mtalantikite 2y ago

This exactly. I've been to "raves", they were just giant parties with $3 beers in an abandoned or semi-legal building somewhere in Brooklyn. I was surprised when I started hearing people call giant corporate venues with dancing "raves". I went out to one of those giant clubs in Brooklyn not too long ago to see a friend DJ (Brooklyn Mirage). I was on guestlist, but the cover would have been $50. I bought a round of drinks to say thanks, and for three drinks I paid $75. Plus they made me load a credit card on some stupid wristband to even get the drinks. What 20-something can afford to do that with any regularity? Their rent is already 2-3x what I paid when I moved to Brooklyn nearly 20 years ago. I don't buy the "young kids don't want to go out late anymore". They just never encountered scenes that were consistently relaxed, fun, and cheap.

jterrys 2y ago
A lot of entertainment is priced in and the powers that be lament that young people aren't falling for it anymore. You like sports? Well, you need a subscription to see their away games, a subscription to see their home games, and a separate subscription to see their games in season, and a subscription to see their off season. You want to see them in person? well..... You like music? Well, the cost of a ticket to see your favorite artist is $80 + $60 in fees. Online purchase fee. Printing fee. Seat Reservation fee. etc. Wanna go out for a few drinks? That'll be $8 for shitty beer on tap Want to go anywhere? Time to reserve your parking spot, or pay your parking ticket. Public transport outside NY? lol. Can't really get drunk or high now either since you need to kinda be sober enough to get back. Or fuck it! Uber and pay an extra $50 in surge charge fees! Want to go to the museum on the weekend while you visit a city? Well, too bad, it's very congested so the museum has surge charged the price of the ticket to $70 (the Shedd Aquarium special in Chicago). I'm good I think I'll just stay home and jerk off
- quesomaster9000 2y ago
  > I'm good I think I'll just stay home and jerk off Exactly. There's a fine line between convenience and the cost of doing it yourself, like getting a decent smash burger or firing half of the devops team. The most ridiculous thing is having venues trying to casually extort you at every possible opportunity, without the implicit advantage of a few very subtle but 'approved' dealers lurking around while making sure everybody is having a safe but very fun time. It's like an escalator to nowhere
quotz 2y ago
Brooklyn Mirage is hardly a rave place, just a club. Went last year it was pretty terrible. The sound was so quiet I could talk with my gf without yelling. There was also a food vendor inside the venue for whatever weird reason. Paid $300 for tickets and 2 drinks. I heard basement is a good place but never been. Europe's techno parties and raves are still going strong and no food vendors inside ofcourse we are not that lame.
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daxfohl 2y ago

Enshittification

evanelias 2y ago

> One, I hated the term "raving" Completely agreed on the terminology. When I got into the scene (late 90s, Philly and Baltimore), everyone legit totally avoided saying "rave" or "raving" when talking with other folks in the scene. We all just said "party", and it was clear what you were talking about based on context (and, for better or worse, clothing style). No one said "ravers" either, it was always "party kids" instead, at least among the younger end of the crowd. "Party" could interchangeably refer to either a "one-off" event or a club weekly/monthly, and similarly made no connotations as to whether or not the venue was licensed/above-board. Unlicensed one-offs were referred to as "outlaw", "warehouse party", etc. There were also unlicensed venues which threw regular weekly/monthly parties and these were absolutely amazing, so I'm a bit perplexed by the folks here saying a "real" rave is only an unlicensed one-off. In any case, in my area, as a term "rave" was largely only used by news media, law enforcement, and outsiders who completely misunderstood what the scene was about. The only major exception was internet discussions – web sites like ravelinks.com, newsgroups like alt.rave. But even there, "rave" in the name just helped people find the sites, and still wasn't a term thrown around much in actual discussions. > Has the music droppped off? No, it's better than ever in my opinion, especially for non-mainstream house-adjacent music. There are a ton of talented producers who are seamlessly merging many genres and influences... folks are combining classic UK rave synths (well, really from Belgian New Beat originally) with Italo-disco, or taking trance and adding in happy hardcore elements, etc. Many classic samples and sounds, but given a new twist, it's great. That said, I used to be a major drum and bass head back in the day, but largely lost interest in that genre as it became less danceable over the years. Not to mention my knees aren't what they used to be...

Dalewyn 2y ago
>No one said "ravers" either, it was always "party kids" instead, at least among the younger end of the crowd. Over in Japan the term was party people which slurred into pary people and finally paripi which is the term today. Just some interesting culture from the other side of the pond.
- thrawn0r 2y ago
  thanks for that piece of trope :)

Der_Einzige 2y ago

Glad you brought up some of the musicians (Tiesto). Looking back on "Trance" and "House" as genres they seem really vapid, vain, and dare I say it, decadent. Reading about the "mecca" of these genres, Ibiza, makes me wish I'd never listened to this stuff growing up.

linuxdude314 2y ago
Virtue signaling your dislike of music because of the environment it is played in is asinine. Do you wish you’d never listened to Mozart? He was a serial misogynist after all. I can understand parents not wanting their children to listen to music with explicit lyrics, but for an adult to feel this way? Music is not decadent.
- otabdeveloper4 2y ago
  > Music is not decadent. It can be. Primitive music eliciting primitive emotions is certainly decadent.

glitchcrab 2y ago

Nitpick, but it's Sub Focus and he is one person https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Focus https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub_Focus

portaouflop 2y ago

Electronic underground is still well and alive. Sure there is lots of mainstream electronica now but if you look a bit you’ll find tons of new fresh stuff. Sure you can organise raves in illegal locations but a club can still be about the music and can be a more sustainable “home” for the music. Sure it’s a lot more expensive but then again everything is - the clubs just need to survive somehow. Tbh I live in Berlin, where rave culture is most alive probably

quesomaster9000 2y ago
Some of the best events I've ever been to have been where a collective has organized the Nth annual event etc. which has taken over an entire location or venue and brought in a really diverse but very friendly crowd with them from all over the place. But yes, every other day of the week, it's like a restaurant that serves music, the machine must go on, rent gets paid, food in bellies etc.

hnlmorg 2y ago

> Has the music droppped off? I think it kind of merged into more mainstream music. There’s still plenty of “underground” dance music and events going on. The main stream stuff is just another sub genre of electronic music.