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I think the chain goes: Homelessness increases --> any place where you can just hang out without paying attracts more homeless people --> there are too many ho

I think the chain goes: Homelessness increases --> any place where you can just hang out without paying attracts more homeless people --> there are too many homeless people hanging out for hanging out to remain good for business --> cheap hangouts close --> expensive hangouts like co-working spaces become viable.

jrnichols 2y ago
Add increased labor costs and your profit margin for late night coffee drops significantly. Add a safety factor, and it becomes a more cost effective option to reduce hours. We've been seeing that here in my Northern California city for the past few years.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  To be clear, I'm not mad at the homeless. If anything local governments should provide more for these populations, showers at libraries and pop up clinics would do wonders. Of course the bigger issue would be housing costs going straight to the moon. Rent should be 70% of what it is.
  - coffeebeqn 2y ago
    I can’t help but think that adding facilities like shower or laundry at libraries would just make them de facto shelters
    - 999900000999 2y ago
      Homeless people are going to hang out. Would you rather give them the opportunity to clean up and get some medical assistance or not ? Ideally you'd plug them into housing assistance programs so the overall numbers of homeless go down overtime.
      - daseiner1 2y ago
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        999900000999 2y ago
        So the divorced guy who loses the house and can't get an apartment due to his ex wrecking his credit goes straight to the camps. Come out the closet and your parents kick you out, camps. 2 weeks late on your rent, camps. Maybe the moment you get fired your boss should just tell the State to pick you up. Housing prices have gone up 50% in the last decade. https://better.com/content/how-much-home-prices-have-risen-since-1950 https://better.com/content/how-much-home-prices-have-risen-s... This is much worse in some places. Low income housing options, like SROs have largely been made illegal/un profitable. https://www.housingfinance.com/news/minimum-wage-workers-struggle-to-afford-housing-nationwide_o https://www.housingfinance.com/news/minimum-wage-workers-str... Where are poor people supposed to go ? Where is a person making minimum wage supposed to live. >First of all, they found, for families and children, one of the largest increases in homelessness, families, a 39 percent spike in 2024 from 2023. And on that January night that they surveyed, they found 150,000 children experiencing in — homelessness. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-dramatic-rise-in-homelessness-among-families-in-2024 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-dramatic-rise-in-... Looks like a bigger systematic issue to me. I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm above a bad year putting me in a bad situation. I'd rather have a society that helps people get back on their feet. Given the 2 trillion spent on the F-35 alone, its not like it's an impossible task. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/f35-cost/#:~:text=The%20F%2D35%20fighter%20jet,)%2C%20an%20independent%20government%20watchdog https://responsiblestatecraft.org/f35-cost/#:~:text=The%20F%....
        daseiner1 2y ago
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        webnrrd2k 2y ago
        It makes me uneasy whenever someone suggests forcing an undesirable class of people to become concentrated in institutions (or, perhaps, camps). Historically it hasn't worked out so well. But maybe this time it will be different?

jrnichols 2y ago

Add increased labor costs and your profit margin for late night coffee drops significantly. Add a safety factor, and it becomes a more cost effective option to reduce hours. We've been seeing that here in my Northern California city for the past few years.

999900000999 2y ago
To be clear, I'm not mad at the homeless. If anything local governments should provide more for these populations, showers at libraries and pop up clinics would do wonders. Of course the bigger issue would be housing costs going straight to the moon. Rent should be 70% of what it is.
- coffeebeqn 2y ago
  I can’t help but think that adding facilities like shower or laundry at libraries would just make them de facto shelters
  - 999900000999 2y ago
    Homeless people are going to hang out. Would you rather give them the opportunity to clean up and get some medical assistance or not ? Ideally you'd plug them into housing assistance programs so the overall numbers of homeless go down overtime.
    - daseiner1 2y ago
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      - 999900000999 2y ago
        So the divorced guy who loses the house and can't get an apartment due to his ex wrecking his credit goes straight to the camps. Come out the closet and your parents kick you out, camps. 2 weeks late on your rent, camps. Maybe the moment you get fired your boss should just tell the State to pick you up. Housing prices have gone up 50% in the last decade. https://better.com/content/how-much-home-prices-have-risen-since-1950 https://better.com/content/how-much-home-prices-have-risen-s... This is much worse in some places. Low income housing options, like SROs have largely been made illegal/un profitable. https://www.housingfinance.com/news/minimum-wage-workers-struggle-to-afford-housing-nationwide_o https://www.housingfinance.com/news/minimum-wage-workers-str... Where are poor people supposed to go ? Where is a person making minimum wage supposed to live. >First of all, they found, for families and children, one of the largest increases in homelessness, families, a 39 percent spike in 2024 from 2023. And on that January night that they surveyed, they found 150,000 children experiencing in — homelessness. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-dramatic-rise-in-homelessness-among-families-in-2024 https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/u-s-sees-dramatic-rise-in-... Looks like a bigger systematic issue to me. I'm not arrogant enough to think I'm above a bad year putting me in a bad situation. I'd rather have a society that helps people get back on their feet. Given the 2 trillion spent on the F-35 alone, its not like it's an impossible task. https://responsiblestatecraft.org/f35-cost/#:~:text=The%20F%2D35%20fighter%20jet,)%2C%20an%20independent%20government%20watchdog https://responsiblestatecraft.org/f35-cost/#:~:text=The%20F%....
        daseiner1 2y ago
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      - webnrrd2k 2y ago
        It makes me uneasy whenever someone suggests forcing an undesirable class of people to become concentrated in institutions (or, perhaps, camps). Historically it hasn't worked out so well. But maybe this time it will be different?