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The first paragraph seems to be an invitation to create your own emergency procedure (mine would actually be less "wild"...).

by a9i 2y ago

CalChris 2y ago
Yeah, I wouldn't include vitamins in lieu of more cash or calories.
- andrewflnr 2y ago
  You might if you were already in the habit of taking them. Or if you were more worried about the quality of your future food than having any. They don't take much space or weight, so it's not that hard to include them.
dole 2y ago
A “Bug Out Bag” is a pretty standard notion in the prepper and survival communities, also handy for fleeing disasters and power outages.
- throwup238 2y ago
  It’s also recommended by CALFIRE in California: https://readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/emergency-supply-kit/ https://readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/emergency-...
  - bee_rider 2y ago
    It seems like a good thing to have in general. A few days of food? Good if society collapses… or also if you have a real bad storm. Having it in a bag, eh, well why not, right?
    - leptons 2y ago
      Earthquakes are a thing in California too, a very real threat. Flooding in Southern California is something that could happen too especially with climate change, and we live right next to a major waterway. We have our emergency kit in a very large thick rubber waterproof bag. We also have water filtration devices in there. Nobody I know is prepared as well as we are, not even a little bit prepared.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      If society collapses, a few days of food is not going to do too much for you except maybe delay the suffering by a few days. If that's your intent for the bug out bag, you might want to reconsider. If it's for getting out to allow a natural disaster to subside, it's more than probably a good idea
      - Loughla 2y ago
        We have prepared for disasters. 3 to 6 months of food fuel and water for every member of the house and livestock. Everyone should have a week or two of supplies just in case. Look at what happens during large scale natural disasters. Prices go way up and supply goes way down. Why bother with that? But in a real society collapse situation, our plan is much, much shorter term and much darker. That's just the reality of the situation. Why starve and suffer when you can just happily exit as a family in a way if your own choosing?
      - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
        there are all sorts of levels of society collapsing, probably the only ones where surviving the collapse means delaying the inevitable by a few days are fictional collapses, like Zombie apocalypse or similar.
      - bee_rider 2y ago
        That’s true. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but based on multiple responses it didn’t really go through. So, unclear communication on my part. Society collapsing was supposed to be the unlikely and somewhat comical (in that it is a bit over-the-top) motivator for people to do something prep that we should do anyway.
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Good if society collapses If society actually collapses, you really don’t want to be the person with lots of highly-demanded resources.
      - mcsniff 2y ago
        You'd prefer to be one with none of the resources?
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > You'd prefer to be one with none of the resources? Look at actual societal collapses. The starting position of the resources within the map is almost irrelevant.
        mcsniff 2y ago
        You do you, but I will keep my X months of food, water, and warm shelter even it makes me a "target". Besides, the first rule of being prepared, is you don't talk about being prepared.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > I will keep my X months of food, water, and warm shelter even it makes me a "target" As you should. For all of the things that can happen between normal life and full societal collapse. The point is, X months of anything is useless in that last case. The only precedented way of evading death or poverty in the wake of societal collapse is to get out. > you don't talk about being prepared You're thinking of a zombie apocalypse film. Picture, instead, the warlords and their armies in Sudan or Ethiopia. Whether you talk about it is irrelevant. Your home will be torn apart, and your body pressed into service, irrespectively.
      - j-bos 2y ago
        Have you personally been through a major disaster? Talking federal state of emergency declared, electrical grid is down for weeks, data networks overcrowded, shipments bottlenecked? I ask because I see so much resistence to good prep online but never from people who've been through disasters.
    - ben_w 2y ago
      A few days food is a normal kitchen cupboard — singular cupboard, not the whole kitchen. A few weeks was what I kept ready during the pandemic, just in case I got ill and didn't want to go shopping for a fortnight. Plenty of natural disasters are in that kind of range, even outside the pandemic. Civilisation collapsing needs a stockpile of about however many months it would take for you to turn your garden into a residential farm and get to harvest season, plus a bit for if that doesn't work… or if raccoons steal in the night everything the ravens didn't steal in the day.
      - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
        > Civilisation collapsing needs a stockpile of about however many months it would take for you to turn your garden into a residential farm and get to harvest season, plus a bit for if that doesn't work So, to coin a phrase: how about never? Does never work for you?
        ben_w 2y ago
        Yeah, pretty much. What I haven't even considered is that although there's a few cases where your immediate community can work together on stuff like this, an actual collapse leads to a power vacuum and breakdown of supply chains, so your immediate community needs to not only be self-sufficient for food but also defence from looting, and yet somehow also not important enough for to the original government to try to keep running, nor for any warlords who spring up in the vacuum to try to pillage, and also not for any foreign powers to peace-keep or annex. Hmm, I wonder: if the USA suddenly collapsed as hard as the USSR, would Mexico and the Texas region start fighting? Or Cuba and the Florida region?
- ocschwar 2y ago
  I don't want to stoke panic about violence, but the fact is anything that you do that's prepper-adjacent is something you should do anyway: 1. prep your residence in can't you can't leave for days on end - something you should do to prepare for h5n1. 2. stock a bug out bag: most of you are in range of wild fires. So you need to do it.
eagleinparadise 2y ago
My family had to evacuate a few times due to fires. One of them, the National Guard was outside my neighborhood helping to coordinate the chaos. I'll never forget seeing Humvees right outside my neighborhood while the sky was blood red and full of smoke. It was like a disaster scene out of a movie, except real life. Not fun as a kid... We barely were able to find a hotel to go to. Afterwards, my dad kept 4-6 duffel bags full of water, first aid, clothes, MREs/dry meals, and other gear so if we ever need to get out of the place, we'd be ready. So yes, it's a good idea to have some supplies ready because you never know.

The first paragraph seems to be an invitation to create your own emergency procedure (mine would actually be less "wild"...).

by a9i 2y ago

The first paragraph seems to be an invitation to create your own emergency procedure (mine would actually be less "wild"...).

CalChris 2y ago

Yeah, I wouldn't include vitamins in lieu of more cash or calories.

andrewflnr 2y ago
You might if you were already in the habit of taking them. Or if you were more worried about the quality of your future food than having any. They don't take much space or weight, so it's not that hard to include them.

dole 2y ago

A “Bug Out Bag” is a pretty standard notion in the prepper and survival communities, also handy for fleeing disasters and power outages.

throwup238 2y ago
It’s also recommended by CALFIRE in California: https://readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/emergency-supply-kit/ https://readyforwildfire.org/prepare-for-wildfire/emergency-...
- bee_rider 2y ago
  It seems like a good thing to have in general. A few days of food? Good if society collapses… or also if you have a real bad storm. Having it in a bag, eh, well why not, right?
  - leptons 2y ago
    Earthquakes are a thing in California too, a very real threat. Flooding in Southern California is something that could happen too especially with climate change, and we live right next to a major waterway. We have our emergency kit in a very large thick rubber waterproof bag. We also have water filtration devices in there. Nobody I know is prepared as well as we are, not even a little bit prepared.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    If society collapses, a few days of food is not going to do too much for you except maybe delay the suffering by a few days. If that's your intent for the bug out bag, you might want to reconsider. If it's for getting out to allow a natural disaster to subside, it's more than probably a good idea
    - Loughla 2y ago
      We have prepared for disasters. 3 to 6 months of food fuel and water for every member of the house and livestock. Everyone should have a week or two of supplies just in case. Look at what happens during large scale natural disasters. Prices go way up and supply goes way down. Why bother with that? But in a real society collapse situation, our plan is much, much shorter term and much darker. That's just the reality of the situation. Why starve and suffer when you can just happily exit as a family in a way if your own choosing?
    - bryanrasmussen 2y ago
      there are all sorts of levels of society collapsing, probably the only ones where surviving the collapse means delaying the inevitable by a few days are fictional collapses, like Zombie apocalypse or similar.
    - bee_rider 2y ago
      That’s true. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek, but based on multiple responses it didn’t really go through. So, unclear communication on my part. Society collapsing was supposed to be the unlikely and somewhat comical (in that it is a bit over-the-top) motivator for people to do something prep that we should do anyway.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > Good if society collapses If society actually collapses, you really don’t want to be the person with lots of highly-demanded resources.
    - mcsniff 2y ago
      You'd prefer to be one with none of the resources?
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > You'd prefer to be one with none of the resources? Look at actual societal collapses. The starting position of the resources within the map is almost irrelevant.
        mcsniff 2y ago
        You do you, but I will keep my X months of food, water, and warm shelter even it makes me a "target". Besides, the first rule of being prepared, is you don't talk about being prepared.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > I will keep my X months of food, water, and warm shelter even it makes me a "target" As you should. For all of the things that can happen between normal life and full societal collapse. The point is, X months of anything is useless in that last case. The only precedented way of evading death or poverty in the wake of societal collapse is to get out. > you don't talk about being prepared You're thinking of a zombie apocalypse film. Picture, instead, the warlords and their armies in Sudan or Ethiopia. Whether you talk about it is irrelevant. Your home will be torn apart, and your body pressed into service, irrespectively.
    - j-bos 2y ago
      Have you personally been through a major disaster? Talking federal state of emergency declared, electrical grid is down for weeks, data networks overcrowded, shipments bottlenecked? I ask because I see so much resistence to good prep online but never from people who've been through disasters.
  - ben_w 2y ago
    A few days food is a normal kitchen cupboard — singular cupboard, not the whole kitchen. A few weeks was what I kept ready during the pandemic, just in case I got ill and didn't want to go shopping for a fortnight. Plenty of natural disasters are in that kind of range, even outside the pandemic. Civilisation collapsing needs a stockpile of about however many months it would take for you to turn your garden into a residential farm and get to harvest season, plus a bit for if that doesn't work… or if raccoons steal in the night everything the ravens didn't steal in the day.
    - PaulDavisThe1st 2y ago
      > Civilisation collapsing needs a stockpile of about however many months it would take for you to turn your garden into a residential farm and get to harvest season, plus a bit for if that doesn't work So, to coin a phrase: how about never? Does never work for you?
      - ben_w 2y ago
        Yeah, pretty much. What I haven't even considered is that although there's a few cases where your immediate community can work together on stuff like this, an actual collapse leads to a power vacuum and breakdown of supply chains, so your immediate community needs to not only be self-sufficient for food but also defence from looting, and yet somehow also not important enough for to the original government to try to keep running, nor for any warlords who spring up in the vacuum to try to pillage, and also not for any foreign powers to peace-keep or annex. Hmm, I wonder: if the USA suddenly collapsed as hard as the USSR, would Mexico and the Texas region start fighting? Or Cuba and the Florida region?
ocschwar 2y ago
I don't want to stoke panic about violence, but the fact is anything that you do that's prepper-adjacent is something you should do anyway: 1. prep your residence in can't you can't leave for days on end - something you should do to prepare for h5n1. 2. stock a bug out bag: most of you are in range of wild fires. So you need to do it.

eagleinparadise 2y ago

My family had to evacuate a few times due to fires. One of them, the National Guard was outside my neighborhood helping to coordinate the chaos. I'll never forget seeing Humvees right outside my neighborhood while the sky was blood red and full of smoke. It was like a disaster scene out of a movie, except real life. Not fun as a kid... We barely were able to find a hotel to go to. Afterwards, my dad kept 4-6 duffel bags full of water, first aid, clothes, MREs/dry meals, and other gear so if we ever need to get out of the place, we'd be ready. So yes, it's a good idea to have some supplies ready because you never know.