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ethagknight 2y ago
Assuming it's due to Elon. Any moral qualms driving a VW, Mercedes, BMW, or Toyota? Each has taken, uh, far more aggressive actions in their respective pasts.
- kanbara 2y ago
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  - ethagknight 2y ago
    Counterpoint, I’m not convinced those companies were sufficiently punished for their past transgressions, should have ongoing levies/tariffs to repay the lend lease programs that rebuilt Europe. Attempting to draw a line between what Germans actually did in the early 1900s to what you think Elon “would do if he were in charge” is the unserious part. My only point is that the virtue signaling over Elon is quite petty.
ThrowawayTestr 2y ago
If only people had this much vitriol for companies with non-publicly evil ceos.
- tines 2y ago
  Have to start somewhere.
racl101 2y ago
I was just arguing with someone about this over the holidays when they could not believe I would pass up on a Tesla even if it was free. Forget about Elon being and the company culture, there's practical reasons for me not wanting to own one of these even though I could afford one. Living in cold Canadian province, there would be no upside to owning one of these. Just more hassle. If given one I'd sell it probably for less than the market value just so I can get a more practical hybrid or gas guzzler car. That's not to say that there aren't other Teslas around here, but for me it just would not be worth the hassle.
- jameskilton 2y ago
  As a former Tesla Model 3 owner (it got totaled from getting rear-ended) and now own a Ford Mach-E as well as a Toyota RAV-4 Prime (plugin hybrid), yeah I totally agree. Cold weather is the worst for EV cars. You have to spend so much energy keeping the batteries warm on top of spending more energy to keep the cabin comfortable. Heck even the RAV-4 is a problem because it uses a heat pump instead of resistance heating, which means it can't heat the cabin in full EV mode when the temp is < 20F, so I force it into gas mode to stay warm on those days. Not sure how you fix this problem, other than just continuing to improve energy density in batteries to where you don't think about it anymore.
pton_xd 2y ago
After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather state is probably not advised. Multi-state road trips are doable but not recommended; it's just too much of a hassle. Keep a gas car for that. And I still don't trust any driving assist more advanced than enhanced cruise control. I have no emotional response to Musk so that doesn't color my opinion of the car.
- ahahahahah 2y ago
  > it's the best car I've ever had That's going to be true for many car sales. People don't usually downgrade on cars, and there is real progress on car features over a typical period between buying cars. It'll be especially true if a brand like Tesla where most if their sales are coming from people who previously owned significantly cheaper cars.
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    It's also just standard human psychology after you've spent $40k, advertisers have relied on this for decades.
- LightBug1 2y ago
  None of your positives resonate. I'll never buy a Tesla. A decade ago I was a huge fan. Most likely option at the moment is the Hyundai ioniq 5 N ... not only a better drivers car than anything Tesla have ever put out, but I don't have to swallow the Musk emotional tax or have his smell lingering over the purchase ... I'll ... never ... buy ... a ... Tesla. The brand is over.
- technion 2y ago
  The "being able to charge at home" is why I recently purchased an petrol powered Subaru. But every online comment and guide telling people to simply install a charger in their driveway assumes a certain amount of privilege, and I feel a lot of this discussion just assumes everyone has that privilege. I'm currently living in an apartment, my underground car park has no power runs anywhere near my car. Before that I lived in a rented house, and getting permission to install anything that required drilling a single hole would have been a non starter.
buffington 2y ago
There's no reason you should be getting downvoted for this, and I say this as someone who loves their Model 3. You're stating a fact about yourself that is, at the very least, loosely relevant to the posted article. It's like a bunch of people who are a fan of the color yellow got mad when you said you're not a fan of yellow.
dang 2y ago
Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.

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Assuming it's due to Elon. Any moral qualms driving a VW, Mercedes, BMW, or Toyota? Each has taken, uh, far more aggressive actions in their respective pasts.

kanbara 2y ago
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- ethagknight 2y ago
  Counterpoint, I’m not convinced those companies were sufficiently punished for their past transgressions, should have ongoing levies/tariffs to repay the lend lease programs that rebuilt Europe. Attempting to draw a line between what Germans actually did in the early 1900s to what you think Elon “would do if he were in charge” is the unserious part. My only point is that the virtue signaling over Elon is quite petty.

ThrowawayTestr 2y ago

If only people had this much vitriol for companies with non-publicly evil ceos.

tines 2y ago
Have to start somewhere.

racl101 2y ago

I was just arguing with someone about this over the holidays when they could not believe I would pass up on a Tesla even if it was free. Forget about Elon being and the company culture, there's practical reasons for me not wanting to own one of these even though I could afford one. Living in cold Canadian province, there would be no upside to owning one of these. Just more hassle. If given one I'd sell it probably for less than the market value just so I can get a more practical hybrid or gas guzzler car. That's not to say that there aren't other Teslas around here, but for me it just would not be worth the hassle.

jameskilton 2y ago
As a former Tesla Model 3 owner (it got totaled from getting rear-ended) and now own a Ford Mach-E as well as a Toyota RAV-4 Prime (plugin hybrid), yeah I totally agree. Cold weather is the worst for EV cars. You have to spend so much energy keeping the batteries warm on top of spending more energy to keep the cabin comfortable. Heck even the RAV-4 is a problem because it uses a heat pump instead of resistance heating, which means it can't heat the cabin in full EV mode when the temp is < 20F, so I force it into gas mode to stay warm on those days. Not sure how you fix this problem, other than just continuing to improve energy density in batteries to where you don't think about it anymore.

pton_xd 2y ago

After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather state is probably not advised. Multi-state road trips are doable but not recommended; it's just too much of a hassle. Keep a gas car for that. And I still don't trust any driving assist more advanced than enhanced cruise control. I have no emotional response to Musk so that doesn't color my opinion of the car.

ahahahahah 2y ago
> it's the best car I've ever had That's going to be true for many car sales. People don't usually downgrade on cars, and there is real progress on car features over a typical period between buying cars. It'll be especially true if a brand like Tesla where most if their sales are coming from people who previously owned significantly cheaper cars.
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  It's also just standard human psychology after you've spent $40k, advertisers have relied on this for decades.
LightBug1 2y ago
None of your positives resonate. I'll never buy a Tesla. A decade ago I was a huge fan. Most likely option at the moment is the Hyundai ioniq 5 N ... not only a better drivers car than anything Tesla have ever put out, but I don't have to swallow the Musk emotional tax or have his smell lingering over the purchase ... I'll ... never ... buy ... a ... Tesla. The brand is over.
technion 2y ago
The "being able to charge at home" is why I recently purchased an petrol powered Subaru. But every online comment and guide telling people to simply install a charger in their driveway assumes a certain amount of privilege, and I feel a lot of this discussion just assumes everyone has that privilege. I'm currently living in an apartment, my underground car park has no power runs anywhere near my car. Before that I lived in a rented house, and getting permission to install anything that required drilling a single hole would have been a non starter.

buffington 2y ago

There's no reason you should be getting downvoted for this, and I say this as someone who loves their Model 3. You're stating a fact about yourself that is, at the very least, loosely relevant to the posted article. It's like a bunch of people who are a fan of the color yellow got mad when you said you're not a fan of yellow.

dang 2y ago

Ok, but please don't post unsubstantive comments here.