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The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a memb

The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a membership badge or anything.

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wodderam 2y ago
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llamaimperative 2y ago
Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? What about vegans? No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  > Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    Not really. Since 9/11 there is a very small core formal group, but no, the thing people refer to as “al Qaeda” is mostly people buying into the same set of memes. Decentralized network of networks of ideological affiliations. They’re not “random” memes, obviously, but I understand you’re trying to spin with rhetoric a bit here :) https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR236Venhaus.pdf https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR236Venhaus.pdf
    - aziaziazi 2y ago
      A great read, thanks for sharing. Many interesting thoughts about the movement joiners and also on the writer point of view on the situations > Middle Eastern Muslim culture expert Marvin Zonis notes that Arab societies value the honor and dignity of the individual more than personal liberty. When the principles of honor and dignity confront the devastating failures of many Middle Eastern states to achieve prominence in the world, the result is a profound and omnipresent humiliation and rage that is palpable throughout the region.
fireflash38 2y ago
You know how many arguments are had about language and whether it's prescriptive or descriptive? Same shit applies to symbols. People self select and will display symbols to align with the groups they agree with.

The patch shown in the indictment is literally a meme patch you can buy from a bunch of edgy shops that sell patches for like ten dollars. It’s not like a membership badge or anything.

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llamaimperative 2y ago

Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? What about vegans? No one is mistaking this for a “membership badge.” They’re taking it as a signal for what a person believes, and acknowledging that extreme belief formation (even if cynical and “just a joke bro lmao”) is very often part and parcel with group identity.

IshKebab 2y ago
> Do you think Al Qaeda has membership badges or is it mostly just a bunch of people buying into the same set of memes? Yes, Al Qaeda is obviously a real group with actual members, rather than a random meme. Was that a serious question?
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  Not really. Since 9/11 there is a very small core formal group, but no, the thing people refer to as “al Qaeda” is mostly people buying into the same set of memes. Decentralized network of networks of ideological affiliations. They’re not “random” memes, obviously, but I understand you’re trying to spin with rhetoric a bit here :) https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR236Venhaus.pdf https://www.usip.org/sites/default/files/SR236Venhaus.pdf
  - aziaziazi 2y ago
    A great read, thanks for sharing. Many interesting thoughts about the movement joiners and also on the writer point of view on the situations > Middle Eastern Muslim culture expert Marvin Zonis notes that Arab societies value the honor and dignity of the individual more than personal liberty. When the principles of honor and dignity confront the devastating failures of many Middle Eastern states to achieve prominence in the world, the result is a profound and omnipresent humiliation and rage that is palpable throughout the region.

fireflash38 2y ago

You know how many arguments are had about language and whether it's prescriptive or descriptive? Same shit applies to symbols. People self select and will display symbols to align with the groups they agree with.