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Zero-based regulation made Idaho the least regulated state in the US

16 points by rtrx 2y ago

norir 2y ago
This seems to be operating from the premise that being the least regulated state is inherently good. I'm skeptical of this claim while acknowledging there are many poor regulations. The regulatory slash and burn they describe seems as likely to remove useful regulations that, gasp, make the state better than oppressive ones that make it worse.
- EgregiousCube 2y ago
  The incentive structure that they're using makes it much more likely that a good regulation will be kept than a bad one; this isn't a blanket destruction of all regulation, rather a review process that requires agencies to periodically affirm that a regulation is still having positive impact.
  - shermantanktop 2y ago
    Or that it is aligned with the current executive’s philosophy. This is pretty likely to create regulatory instability, but the article (as much of it that I could read) didn’t address that.
plussed_reader 2y ago
I do believe they are regulating pregnancies in Idaho now, so that title is a little inaccurate.
echelon 2y ago
How do you delineate essential regulations (eg. airline regulations, food safety) from useless ones (eg. parking minimums, house zoning)?
- jewayne 2y ago
  Yeah, last I heard Idaho still has traffic signs and signals. Commit to the bit, Idaho!
- garciasn 2y ago
  In the minds of highly conservative lobbyist groups, like MI, there are no essential regulations.
capital_guy 2y ago
This is just literal propaganda output by a think tank.
soared 2y ago
Manhattan Institute appears to be quite biased: https://centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-manhattan-institute https://centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-manhattan-institute They generally hold views that are a bit off kilter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Institute_for_Policy_Research https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Institute_for_Poli... There is surprisingly little info about Idaho and this policy, outside of think tank posts and reposts of their info. This seems weird.
austin-cheney 2y ago
From the comments people are seriously confused about the article. 1. Regulations as mentioned in the article are only regulations enforced by executive agencies. 2. The essential benefit of a given regulation is the result of a cost benefit analysis the respective enforcing agency must produce every 5 years. 3. Regulations not deemed economically qualified according to the prior point can be eliminated by the governor.
aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
My gob is smacked by the overt mercenary cynicism here. They don‘t even pretend to care about possible negative consequences - in fact they don’t even really care about the positive consequences! This is a document written by and for ideological operatives. The “spring-cleaning” below seems to have very negative possible consequences, but the authors take a “credentials schmedentials” approach to considering such things: Representative Examples of Spring-Cleaning Edits Type of Spring-Cleaning Edit Specific Regulation Example Reduce barriers to entry into a licensed profession Added an apprenticeship pathway for water-operator licenses in lieu of formal college education Ease burden of licensure renewal Reduced continuing education requirements for professions like nursing and plumbing Expand professional scope of practice Enabled occupational therapists to perform some duties previously limited to physical therapists; expanded pharmacist prescriptive authority Empower business ownership Removed the requirement that a plumber have two years of journeyman experience to own his own business Limit supervision requirements on a licensed profession Removed the limit on the number of physician assistants that may be overseen by a physician; expanded the duties that may be delegated to a dental assistant Expand consumer choice Eliminated the prohibition on selling alcoholic beverages at college sporting events; removed barriers to telehealth, enabling broader access to health-care services and access to specialists Liberate academic institutions Removed the requirement for the board of nursing to review and approve curriculum of nursing programs and deferred to existing accreditation pathways The “occupational therapists and physical therapists are basically the same thing” is going to ruin a lot of people’s knees. And I wonder how long it’ll take for Iowa to quietly reimpose “plumbers must have requisite experience to run their own business”
Quaengos 2y ago
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- decremental 2y ago
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cs702 2y ago
Not sure how applicable Idaho's situation is to other states, because Idaho is one of the poorest states in the country.[a] My quick take: Laws and regulations can be bad or even terrible... but sometimes they are good and necessary. For example, federal and state governments legally requiring everyone in the US to drive on the right side of the road has been beneficial for everyone. What is almost always bad for everyone is the network of bureaucracies that grow and fester unchecked around the enactment and enforcement of laws and regulations. We must distinguish between the two: laws/regulations vs. bureaucracies. --- [a] #46 in GDP per capita, according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...
xnx 2y ago
One person's regulation is another's protection.

16 points by rtrx 2y ago

This seems to be operating from the premise that being the least regulated state is inherently good. I'm skeptical of this claim while acknowledging there are many poor regulations. The regulatory slash and burn they describe seems as likely to remove useful regulations that, gasp, make the state better than oppressive ones that make it worse.

EgregiousCube 2y ago
The incentive structure that they're using makes it much more likely that a good regulation will be kept than a bad one; this isn't a blanket destruction of all regulation, rather a review process that requires agencies to periodically affirm that a regulation is still having positive impact.
- shermantanktop 2y ago
  Or that it is aligned with the current executive’s philosophy. This is pretty likely to create regulatory instability, but the article (as much of it that I could read) didn’t address that.

plussed_reader 2y ago

I do believe they are regulating pregnancies in Idaho now, so that title is a little inaccurate.

echelon 2y ago

How do you delineate essential regulations (eg. airline regulations, food safety) from useless ones (eg. parking minimums, house zoning)?

jewayne 2y ago
Yeah, last I heard Idaho still has traffic signs and signals. Commit to the bit, Idaho!
garciasn 2y ago
In the minds of highly conservative lobbyist groups, like MI, there are no essential regulations.

capital_guy 2y ago

This is just literal propaganda output by a think tank.

soared 2y ago

Manhattan Institute appears to be quite biased: https://centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-manhattan-institute https://centerjd.org/content/fact-sheet-manhattan-institute They generally hold views that are a bit off kilter: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Institute_for_Policy_Research https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Institute_for_Poli... There is surprisingly little info about Idaho and this policy, outside of think tank posts and reposts of their info. This seems weird.

austin-cheney 2y ago

From the comments people are seriously confused about the article. 1. Regulations as mentioned in the article are only regulations enforced by executive agencies. 2. The essential benefit of a given regulation is the result of a cost benefit analysis the respective enforcing agency must produce every 5 years. 3. Regulations not deemed economically qualified according to the prior point can be eliminated by the governor.

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago

My gob is smacked by the overt mercenary cynicism here. They don‘t even pretend to care about possible negative consequences - in fact they don’t even really care about the positive consequences! This is a document written by and for ideological operatives. The “spring-cleaning” below seems to have very negative possible consequences, but the authors take a “credentials schmedentials” approach to considering such things: Representative Examples of Spring-Cleaning Edits Type of Spring-Cleaning Edit Specific Regulation Example Reduce barriers to entry into a licensed profession Added an apprenticeship pathway for water-operator licenses in lieu of formal college education Ease burden of licensure renewal Reduced continuing education requirements for professions like nursing and plumbing Expand professional scope of practice Enabled occupational therapists to perform some duties previously limited to physical therapists; expanded pharmacist prescriptive authority Empower business ownership Removed the requirement that a plumber have two years of journeyman experience to own his own business Limit supervision requirements on a licensed profession Removed the limit on the number of physician assistants that may be overseen by a physician; expanded the duties that may be delegated to a dental assistant Expand consumer choice Eliminated the prohibition on selling alcoholic beverages at college sporting events; removed barriers to telehealth, enabling broader access to health-care services and access to specialists Liberate academic institutions Removed the requirement for the board of nursing to review and approve curriculum of nursing programs and deferred to existing accreditation pathways The “occupational therapists and physical therapists are basically the same thing” is going to ruin a lot of people’s knees. And I wonder how long it’ll take for Iowa to quietly reimpose “plumbers must have requisite experience to run their own business”

Quaengos 2y ago

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decremental 2y ago
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cs702 2y ago

Not sure how applicable Idaho's situation is to other states, because Idaho is one of the poorest states in the country.[a] My quick take: Laws and regulations can be bad or even terrible... but sometimes they are good and necessary. For example, federal and state governments legally requiring everyone in the US to drive on the right side of the road has been beneficial for everyone. What is almost always bad for everyone is the network of bureaucracies that grow and fester unchecked around the enactment and enforcement of laws and regulations. We must distinguish between the two: laws/regulations vs. bureaucracies. --- [a] #46 in GDP per capita, according to Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_GDP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ...

xnx 2y ago

One person's regulation is another's protection.